10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
This doesn't make sense; how can you especially save someone? it's not an action you can do moreso for one person than another. You are either saved or you aren't. I can't ESPECIALLY save a woman from drowning and just barely save you. I believe that the "specially" might be key here due to the fact that the root is the same thing one used by "specifically." as anyone would know, the english language is constantly evolving and thus the meaning of specially has now come to connote an extra amplitude of the action. Also note that "specially" is not the same as the modern english "especially".
For instance: "I would miss my car if it got stolen, especially the leather seats."
Whereas if we replace especially with specifically:
"I would miss my car if it got stolen, specifically the leather seats." which implies that you don't care about the rest, you just like the seats.
Also take note that we use the word "special" as an adjective in the same way we use specific
"a special kind of gun"
"that one is specially designed to lift heavier cars"
etc.
Thus we can see that it is not a conflict of matthew 25:31-46, which states that all nations (people of all nations in more contemporary translations) will be judged.
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
This doesn't make sense; how can you especially save someone? it's not an action you can do moreso for one person than another. You are either saved or you aren't. I can't ESPECIALLY save a woman from drowning and just barely save you. I believe that the "specially" might be key here due to the fact that the root is the same thing one used by "specifically." as anyone would know, the english language is constantly evolving and thus the meaning of specially has now come to connote an extra amplitude of the action. Also note that "specially" is not the same as the modern english "especially".For instance: "I would miss my car if it got stolen, especially the leather seats."
Whereas if we replace especially with specifically:
"I would miss my car if it got stolen, specifically the leather seats." which implies that you don't care about the rest, you just like the seats.
Also take note that we use the word "special" as an adjective in the same way we use specific
"a special kind of gun"
"that one is specially designed to lift heavier cars"
etc.
* it does not make sense because you went out of context...
"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe."
I Timothy 4:10
* the passage denotes only two kinds of people -> believers and non-believers (unless you know of something else)... therefore, the living God is capable if saving ALL people ESPECIALLY believers...
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Thus we can see that it is not a conflict of matthew 25:31-46, which states that all nations (people of all nations in more contemporary translations) will be judged.also, Peejayd, your second verse was very out of context. as you will see above, the full context states that people will go into the fire that was designed for the devil and his angels.
* yes, there will be people going to hell according to the Bible... my response was to solidify a belief that hell was not created for people but was intended for the devil and his minions... 😉
Re: How many Christians are Christian only because of fear?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You don’t really believe all of the things they tell you about Christianity, but you don’t want to be singled out and made fun of. Also it’s kind of cool to be a Christian cause all of your friends are Christian, but deep down inside, you know that all of this can’t be true. However, you dear not think about it, because what if you were wrong, you don’t want to be possessed by a demon or burn for eternity in hell.Is this you? Do you feel this way, but don’t want to tell anyone? Do you think that science makes a lot more sense, but you would rather go with the crowd?
If this is you, tell us about it.
Warning: Please, do not come here to flame anyone who posts here.
Im a religious man myself, but I really dont see people laughing at someone just because he doesnt believe what some guy said or wrote a few hundred or thousand years ago.
Re: Re: How many Christians are Christian only because of fear?
Originally posted by SamZED
Im a religious man myself, but I really dont see people laughing at someone just because he doesnt believe what some guy said or wrote a few hundred or thousand years ago.
Then this thread does not reflect your experience.
Originally posted by peejayd
* it does not make sense because you went out of context..."For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in [b]the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe
."
I Timothy 4:10* the passage denotes only two kinds of people -> believers and non-believers (unless you know of something else)... therefore, the living God is capable if saving ALL people ESPECIALLY believers...
My 1 timothy 4:10 is from kjv, a more direct translation, not out of context. Ever play telephone? KJV is translated from the original latin, which is translated from the original greek and hebrew. NIV is translated from kjv which is translated from latin which is translated from the original greek and hebrew.
As for the second verse, I provided full context.
Ah i thought you said that no-one was going to hell except the devil and his minions, an unbiblical belief.
* yes, there will be people going to hell according to the Bible... my response was to solidify a belief that hell was not created for people but was intended for the devil and his minions... 😉 [/B]
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
1. Context is what the passage is found in. I was talking about the second verse when saying you went out of contest. And I thought that you were using this to enforce the idea that nobody was going to hell.My 1 timothy 4:10 is from kjv, a more direct translation, not out of context. Ever play telephone? KJV is translated from the original latin, which is translated from the original greek and hebrew. NIV is translated from kjv which is translated from latin which is translated from the original greek and hebrew.
As for the second verse, I provided full context.
* i think in the passage I Timothy 4:10, Bible versions do not matter because it was correctly translated in majority of versions, earlier or later than KJV, for example:
"For therefore we labour and are rebuked, because we trust in the liuing God, which is the Sauiour of all men, specially of those that beleeue."
Geneva Bible (1587)
"For therfore we both labour, and suffer rebuke, because we haue hoped in the lyuyng God, whiche is the sauiour of all men, specially of those that beleue."
Bishops' Bible (1568)
"For therfore we both labour, and suffer reproch, because we trust in the liuing God, who is the Sauiour of all men, specially of those that beleeue."
King James (1611)
"For to that end we expose ourselves to trouble and reproach, because we hope in the living God, who is the saviour of all men, especially of believers."
Mace New Testament (1729)
"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of them that believe."
Wesley's New Testament (1755)
Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
Ah i thought you said that no-one was going to hell except the devil and his minions, an unbiblical belief.
* yup... i did not say no one's going to hell... just emphasizing that hell was not created for people but for the devil... anyone's going to ally with the devil willfully, goes with him...