I'm not trying to convince you that this is the correct answer and that this is the correct god, Im just trying to show you that what your trying to convince others is wrong... The bible and the Christian faith states that god is Omnipotent... If your talking about the Christian god then Omnipotent is what he is, so I will try to explain to you why your wrong...
You can challenge and question his existance based on his actions, But you can't hold god to word definitions... as there isn't a word definition that can hold a value to god... (Cept for omnipotent as it itself holds no value other then infinity...)
God by definition doesn't have to make sense to you... "he works in mysterious ways????"
"i cud just as well say that everything i say is right and i say that every1 having a point of view other than me is wrong. i also say that my mind is infinitely beyond all concepts and no opposing arguments can be made to challange my statement as im beyond logic and every who does so is wrong. in so doing i eliminate every possible argument any1 cud ever make against me"
IF you could do that then you would be god! I'm not going to argue that 2+2 doesn't equal 4 because I don't want it to, I will argue it equals 4 because thats what it equals...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i cud just as well say that everything i say is right and i say that every1 having a point of view other than me is wrong.
This is exactly what you did.
Are you trying to understand yourself or do you have beliefs beyond the idea that everyone else's beliefs are wrong?
Originally posted by ImOne
This is exactly what you did.Are you trying to understand yourself or do you have beliefs beyond the idea that everyone else's beliefs are wrong?
neither. im trying to show by example that such illogical arguments are ridiculous and flawed n should not be made by any1 reasonable as its just plain old stobbornness and not an argument. its just like saying, as a reply to a good reason " NO YOUR WRONG AND ANYTHING YOU SAY IS WRONG N IM RIGHT AND THATS THE WAY IT IS AND THERES NUTHIN U CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT"
Originally posted by leonheartmm
neither. im trying to show by example that such illogical arguments are ridiculous and flawed n should not be made by any1 reasonable as its just plain old stobbornness and not an argument. its just like saying, as a reply to a good reason " NO YOUR WRONG AND ANYTHING YOU SAY IS WRONG N IM RIGHT AND THATS THE WAY IT IS AND THERES NUTHIN U CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT"
Funny, as a Christian/Creationist, I feel like I get that response from people all the time. 😉 😆
Originally posted by finti
oh I wonder why? 🙄
Apparently because:
"ANYTHING I SAY IS WRONG, AND THEY'RE RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO TO CHANGE IT."
At least, that's what I'm told. 😛
I don't believe everything I'm told though, do you?
I prefer what my life experience has shown me to be true. 🙂
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I'm not trying to convince you that this is the correct answer and that this is the correct god, Im just trying to show you that what your trying to convince others is wrong... The bible and the Christian faith states that god is Omnipotent... If your talking about the Christian god then Omnipotent is what he is, so I will try to explain to you why your wrong...You can challenge and question his existance based on his actions, But you can't hold god to word definitions... as there isn't a word definition that can hold a value to god... (Cept for omnipotent as it itself holds no value other then infinity...)
God by definition doesn't have to make sense to you... "he works in mysterious ways????"
IF you could do that then you would be god! I'm not going to argue that 2+2 doesn't equal 4 because I don't want it to, I will argue it equals 4 because thats what it equals...
erm, dude no offence but it seems like thas just a vain effort to support the validity of an argument that has been proven wrong but one which believers wont let go off n be stubborn about n bring in the most ludicrous of arguments, WELL things which cant be considered arguments anyway cause theyr not based on logic{im not tryin to flame u or insult ur belief, just statin sumthin}
I accept myself that god is a very illogical thing.. I'm not going to try to give a reason to god existing in the first place... nor to as why god felt the need to create us... Or why he doesn't help us now... The list of questions as to why he can't exist is long... But the point that he can't exist because of the definition of omnipotent is silly... God has all these powers... He is 1 above all... You can't bring reason or logic him out as he is far toooo complex...
On a side note.. Please type out in full.. "n1 likes havin 2 transl8 everythin ya rite..." it also makes it harder to understand what your trying to say...
Personaly I don't believe that the bible is a creditable source.. I only use it as a referance on being good... Should I steal this money??? what does the bible say??? no.... Should I kill all the gays and witches... erm.. No cause the bible is out of date... however to me God is omnipotent.. His will be done regarless of weither it is logical... He could have a master plan for us that could span decades... He could have a plan that will span the 50 years until some random comet kills all life here... There could be no god at all.... God could have to asexualy reproduce himself everytime he wants to create a new universe, I just don't know...
But the definition of God given by faith and the term omnipotent doesn't prove that he doesn't exist... And to me... Whatever the answer your attempt to prove he doesn't exist is flawed...
leonheartmm, I would like to preface this post by stating that I am an atheist, and that I find the arguments you have presented to be sound.
However, the arguments in question do not prove that God does not exist, but rather, that the characteristics ascribed to God, e.g. omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, etc. do not exist.
Perhaps a more suitable argument would be, if the characteristics ascribed to God do not exist, then God exists but is not truly a god.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
leonheartmm, I would like to preface this post by stating that I am an atheist, and that I find the arguments you have presented to be sound.However, the arguments in question do not prove that God does not exist, but rather, that the characteristics ascribed to God, e.g. omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, etc. do not exist.
Perhaps a more suitable argument would be, if the characteristics ascribed to God do not exist, then God exists but is not truly a god.
Or the characteristics ascribed to God are incorrect. 😛
erm i already said in the first post that an OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT god can not exist{that is the god of most faiths like christianity, judaism, islam etc} i never said that other minor gods cant exist{although i cud make arguments for those aswell but why bother, ive seen the counterarguments even for ONE god, i shudder to think what wierd things would be thought up for if many were concerned.}