Respect: Cyclops...

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lulz @ Druig:

I'm so glad that Cyclops is not out-of character, and he has a consistent portrayal throughout his latest appearances, in line with most of his history. This way, nothing seems forced.

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marvel can f*ck off.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm so glad that Cyclops is not out-of character, and he has a consistent portrayal throughout his latest appearances, in line with most of his history. This way, nothing seems forced.

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Actually i find his developement rather fitting and plausible.

He may have been the "lawful good Paladin" or "boyscout" of the X-Men, and even though he always seemed a little stiff and boring, it was nonetheless ok. He was what Xavier taught him to be and what the X-Men needed and his then girlfriend/wife complemented this appearance perfectly.
But times changed ... drastically!
He lost several wives several times, sometimes due to his own fault. He lost his son, he fused with Apoc, he learned that his "surrogate father" and lifelong mentor was not at all the wise and noble man he thought he was, he witnessed the near extinction of his race. These are all traumatizing experiences on a personal level, which would not leave ANY human being unchanged.
Fact is, that with all that has happened to him, he would have to question his teaching and his way of handling things. Though i don't like to lean on "The Dark Night", i do nonetheless: The old Cyclops may have been the leader the X-Men deserved, but he is obviously not the leader they need right now, and with all things happened to him, not the leader he can be any longer. Add to all that the fact that he's in love and in a stable relationship with Emma Frost, it's absolutely no wonder he became more offensive, determined, sardonic and sometimes even cruel.

If anything, his recent behavioural changements were not at all forced, but long overdue, not because i like the "new" Scot more, which i do not, but because on a psychological level i find them logically consistent.

There's a difference between a character evolving, from point A to point B due to certain experiences which is a natural progress, and acting completly out of character from one story to another, a 'forced-to-be-badass' type of behaviour to try and make people say 'how cool iz that !!1'.

Mis-characterizations isn't something new in Marvel though, so nothing surprising here.

Originally posted by Philosophía
There's a difference between a character evolving, from point A to point B due to certain experiences which is a natural progress, and acting completly out of character from one story to another, a 'forced-to-be-badass' type of behaviour to try and make people say 'how cool iz that !!1'.

Mis-characterizations isn't something new in Marvel though, so nothing surprising here.


I know exactly what you mean, but i don't see it happen in Scott's case. Imo it could easily be interpreted this way, but ... well ... i already said everything i have to say about it.

Originally posted by wannabe
Actually i find his developement rather fitting and plausible.

He may have been the "lawful good Paladin" or "boyscout" of the X-Men, and even though he always seemed a little stiff and boring, it was nonetheless ok. He was what Xavier taught him to be and what the X-Men needed and his then girlfriend/wife complemented this appearance perfectly.
But times changed ... drastically!
He lost several wives several times, sometimes due to his own fault. He lost his son, he fused with Apoc, he learned that his "surrogate father" and lifelong mentor was not at all the wise and noble man he thought he was, he witnessed the near extinction of his race. These are all traumatizing experiences on a personal level, which would not leave ANY human being unchanged.
Fact is, that with all that has happened to him, he would have to question his teaching and his way of handling things. Though i don't like to lean on "The Dark Night", i do nonetheless: The old Cyclops may have been the leader the X-Men deserved, but he is obviously not the leader they need right now, and with all things happened to him, not the leader he can be any longer. Add to all that the fact that he's in love and in a stable relationship with Emma Frost, it's absolutely no wonder he became more offensive, determined, sardonic and sometimes even cruel.

If anything, his recent behavioural changements were not at all forced, but long overdue, not because i like the "new" Scot more, which i do not, but because on a psychological level i find them logically consistent.

I agree. It's the natural progression of his character based on the circumstances surrounding mutants in the last couple of years. There is a new status quo for mutants, and being the figure head for not only the X-Men but entire mutant species Cyclops had to evolve as a character. He can't afford to be the naive, idealistic "boy scout" his been in the past, he can't afford to be Superman in cool sun glasses, the situation called for him to step up and take charge or step down at let someone who was willing what needed to be done take over... and he chose to step up. He is responsible for the survival of the mutant species, he doesn't have the luxury to be the man he was when he first joined the X-Men. Mutants are at war, their very survival is on the line, the X-Men are soldiers now and Cyclops is their general.

i don't agree at all. house of m happened years ago, and up until messiah complex, cyclops was still as he always had been. as philosophia said, it stinks of marvel trying to whore him out and make him "cool".

i'll write more later, have a headache atm.

Lulz Raoul got a headache from bad writing.

* see this... Cyclops vs. Multiple Man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTYXo16hw8

* nice fight...

Spoiler:
bad ending...

Originally posted by Raoul
i don't agree at all. house of m happened years ago, and up until messiah complex, cyclops was still as he always had been. [...]

If so, it seems we've been reading different comic books since the whole "Cypocalypse" thing. 😕

Originally posted by wannabe
If so, it seems we've been reading different comic books since the whole "Cypocalypse" thing. 😕

the cyclops he was through morrison's and whedon's run was a natural progression from what had happened during the twelve and cyclopalypse., imo...

* after the dust had settled... i'd like to ask -> who's the "bad a$$" now? 😛

Originally posted by Raoul
the cyclops he was through morrison's and whedon's run was a natural progression from what had happened during the twelve and cyclopalypse., imo...

* up! 😄

I've been going through a lot of the older cyclops comics. well, i pretty much went back to the start.

if i find anything of use, ill post it here...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[b]Cyclops vs. Human Torch

Cyclops keeps the Human Torch's flames at bay with his Optic Blasts.

Fantastic Four v1 #28
(July 1964)
Writer: Stan Lee Artist: Jack Kirby


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ive heard they matched up at a later time. anyone remember when?

UXM # 513: utopia

cyclops does some pretty nice acrobatics over a car to shoot a car into some pursuers, he's also being shot at but still manages to get onto a roof without getting hit once.

and he got up onto that roof hella fast.

ill find the quality scan if anyone can help figure out where its from. one of the Infinty books of course. Cyclops bounces a blast off Warlock and it takes down Torch.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
UXM # 513: utopia

cyclops does some pretty nice acrobatics over a car to shoot a car into some pursuers, he's also being shot at but still manages to get onto a roof without getting hit once.

and he got up onto that roof hella fast.