Should cigarette's be made illegal?

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Its also the choice of people to use drugs, and drive without a license, and carry weapons around with them. True, people do have that choice, but in the long run it is better to eliminate the choice altogether. Sure its not going to be popular but it would save a lot of lives money, and make America a model for the rest of civilized society. Also, 4000 deaths a year (yes, more than 9/11 or the Iraq war) are caused from secondhand smoke- tell me you know what this is. Even if it was just one innocent victim a year it would still be right to eliminate it for that one person. Because although that 4000 isnt a whole lot in the whole scheme of things, every person counts and every one is protected by the constituion to the right of life, liberty and etc... So those people are dying because of other peoples bad choices- much like drunk driving. Thats another reason why it should be illegal.

Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year, the majority of whom were exposed to secondhand smoke at work, i.e. in restaurants and bars where ETS levels are found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers. The people in question chose to work in this environment.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year, the majority of whom were exposed to secondhand smoke at work, i.e. in restaurants and bars where ETS levels are found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers. The people in question chose to work in this environment.

Do you honestly think that smokers would jump at the chance to work in a smoky environment? Hell no. They are quite content to puff all over everyone else, but they'd likely complain if they had to work in a smoky environment.

Besides, if no non smoker wanted to work in a bar or club because of the smoke, how do you think the job agencys would react knowing these people refused a job because of smoke? People chose their jobs, but they should be able to do those jobs without being exposed to thousands of chemicals.

Originally posted by Syren
I still agree with Makedde's statements, I just can't support non smokers when they say 'I hate eating in restaurants that allow smoking, because it makes me stink/it's killing me' and then they still use said restaurant.

Every restaurant you go to has a lounge area and a bar area. The bar is allowed smoking, if it weren't, no beer bellied old men would go there to get drunk and the owners would lose money. The lounge areas are non smoking, but the smoke filters from the bar anyway.

The point of a non smoking area is to be away from all the smoke, but the way it is, you are right next to it. There is no bar or club here that is completely smoke free. People make too much money off beer drinking, smoking old men to ban it.

Originally posted by Makedde
Do you honestly think that smokers would jump at the chance to work in a smoky environment? Hell no. They are quite content to puff all over everyone else, but they'd likely complain if they had to work in a smoky environment.

How do you figure?

Originally posted by Makedde
Besides, if no non smoker wanted to work in a bar or club because of the smoke, how do you think the job agencys would react knowing these people refused a job because of smoke? People chose their jobs, but they should be able to do those jobs without being exposed to thousands of chemicals.

I do not suspect that job agencies will react differently than they do when someone refuses other jobs because of a potentially dangerous work environment. If a job agency presents one with the opportunity to work in a coal mine, he is not obligated to take it. He chooses whether or not he wants to work in that environment.

Originally posted by Makedde
Every restaurant you go to has a lounge area and a bar area. The bar is allowed smoking, if it weren't, no beer bellied old men would go there to get drunk and the owners would lose money. The lounge areas are non smoking, but the smoke filters from the bar anyway.

The point of a non smoking area is to be away from all the smoke, but the way it is, you are right next to it. There is no bar or club here that is completely smoke free. People make too much money off beer drinking, smoking old men to ban it.

I understand this, but the way things are going most bars/clubs and especially restaurants are completely banning smoking anyway, so what's the problem?

i dont understand how people just cant suck it up and walk away. Instead of complaining.
I remember i went to an amusement park with my friends, in line, there was a huge group of people smoking, i had no problem with it, but my friends were being really dramatic and pretending to cough and shit.
It's not second hand smoke that's killing people.
IT'S THE STUPIDITY OF THE PEOPLE TO NOT JUST WALK AWAY!!! i don't understand..
I get it how people don't want to be endangered(spelling) by smokers, but what i DON'T get is how the people around them can't deal with the fact that there is going to be smokers.
NO MEANS TO OFFEND either. Just stating a point

So you mean if there's someone smoking right next to you and it's offending you, you should just walk away and go stand somewhere else? I agree with that 👆

You know I see a lot of problems with some of the "Points" Made in this thread. I have smoked the occasional cigar since I turned 19 last year, (Live in Texas so I could have began earlier.) but I have never smoked around others who were not smoking. I don't smoke in restaurants, and when someone happens to the area where I am smoking and ASKS me politely to put out my stogie or move I do so without hesitation.

I smoke cigars because I chose to. It is selfish for someone to assume that All smokers are inconsiderate and want all smoking to be banned or made illegal. Look at Drugs, which are illegal. They are still used everyday, and when alcohol was made illegal during the Prohibition it was still being made and drank.

If you did succeed in banning Cigarettes(Let's say tobacco in general)
you would have to ban Potato chips, diet (soda)drinks, and sugar substitutes as they all contain certain ingrediants that cause liver failure after so many years. Why not Fast Food as it makes you fat and French Fries since they are known to cause cancer? While you're at it why not ban Coffee? If you spill it all over yourself then you could get burned. If everyone went around banning everything they deemed bad for their health then there won't be much left.

Some of you (not pointing any fingers) remind me of Kyle's Mom from South Park. You are close-minded and want to force your views on everyone that will listen. Your views are your own and you will just have to accept that a smoker's views are just as valid as yours. They have the right to smoke if they so choose and you have the right to safeguard your own health. So I say this to you. "STAY THE **** AWAY FROM SMOKERS *******!" (with my previous statement I am in no way insulting or showing how I feel about particular forum members. I am just making a statement about how I feel about ignorant people who can't help but spew BS out of their Oral cavities.) Don't come onto a Web forum and complain about smokers when it was your choice to be in an area where you know smoking is allowed. Odds are people will be there smoking.

Oh, and some people have said that they should ban all forms of tobacco. Why is this? I don't chew tobacco, but both of my parents do. Despite my drinking out of their "Spit bottles" (they spit in any empty soda bottle, hence my confusion) when I was three I have not been diagnosed with mouth cancer from secondhand spit.

Actually there are some cases where people are highly reactant to smoke fumes and can be killed by only a small amount- sometimes they dont even know they have the disorder and die without even knowing why. Some people's lungs are too fragile to take the stress.

And when someone said earlier that those 3000 deaths from secondhand smoke were caused by working in smoky conditions- they were only half right. Its that 3000 PLUS the 4000 I mentioned earlier because factory/ work enviormental hazards dont count as secondhand and they are not from smoking. Nearly all of the 4000 I mentioned come from people who live with smokers- half of them being children who really dont have a choice as to just walk away from smokers because their house is probably full of smoke fumes. If only for their sake alone we should end smoking once and for all. If you smoke now then you have already made your choice but why even give the next generations the chance?

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Actually there are some cases where people are highly reactant to smoke fumes and can be killed by only a small amount- sometimes they dont even know they have the disorder and die without even knowing why. Some people's lungs are too fragile to take the stress.

And when someone said earlier that those 3000 deaths from secondhand smoke were caused by working in smoky conditions- they were only half right. Its that 3000 PLUS the 4000 I mentioned earlier because factory/ work enviormental hazards dont count as secondhand and they are not from smoking. Nearly all of the 4000 I mentioned come from people who live with smokers- half of them being children who really dont have a choice as to just walk away from smokers because their house is probably full of smoke fumes. If only for their sake alone we should end smoking once and for all. If you smoke now then you have already made your choice but why even give the next generations the chance?

There are only 3,000 deaths attributed to second-hand smoke in the United States each year according to the American Lung Association. I would be interested to know where you are getting this ridiculous 7,000 number from.

I would be interested to see how they can draw conclusive data that the death rate is 3000 per year on second hand smoke.

hospitalization maybe?
Agent Hunk, i totally agree with you. Black Ghost, ehh. not so much
i understand how some people have weak lungs. I do, I have asthma. My mom smokes and both my sisters smoke.
But with the child not having a choice about walking out of the house? The parents have a choice. And banning smoking couldn't help too much.
Say they smoke a couple times inside the house, like maybe three times wheen the kiid is at school. When the kid comes home: "ehh, i'll smoke outside" But when it gets banned, the parents are afraid that somebody is going to see them smoking outside, causing them to smoke more inside, endangering the child even more.
That is just from experience, i know that there are those select parents who don't care about their child.

simply replace all the tobacco farmers crops with weed. Offer a pack of joints at the store. PPl will still smoke, farmers will still make money, and the gub'ment still gets their enormous cut of the proceeds.

Making something illegal doesn't make it go away, it only creats a black market for it. Smoking should be banned indoors everywhere except in private homes though.

Cigarette's should never have existed,but for many reasons,they will never go away...

1.Too much has already been built on the tobacco industry
2.People who already smoke will protest and find other means of getting cigarettes
3.Americans always want something more when it's illegal

I only read the first page of this thread.......but it seems that most of the rhetoric about smoking from the non-smokers is based on second hand smoke. The rhetoric about second hand smoke began when the EPA did a study in in 1993 concluding it was harmful. That same study was overturned in 1998 when it was revealed that the study not only falsified some if it's data that labeled second hand smoke harmful......but also that it completely threw out all the data that directly invalidated their claims that it was.

yes, smoking is harmful.......to the smoker. We all know this. That said, if I don't care......you have no right to tell me what's better for my health than I myself choose. For those who believe in this fantasy of second hand smoke, you might want to stay indoors as the smoke from an one automobile's exaust is far more harmful to you than the smoke from a hundred smokers. The idea that second hand smoke is harmful is so ridiculous that the EPA themselves had to fake a study to appease those worried about it.

PS. it's a matter of record, check it out. All claims of second hand smoke was indeed based on the EPA's '93 study.......which was thrown out and legally overturned in '98 when it came to light that it was faked.

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Well, A lot of people seem to get off on bashing pot cause it is illegal and ''harmful''- 😆

So, Let's talk about the number 1 killer in my country- Cigarette's

They cause cancer, Take up rooms in the hospital, and generally are the worst thing besides Heroin,that anyone can be addicted too 😕 Not to mention all the other negative things about it.

Marijuana does not do any of that, So if the Government are so up there ass about not making pot legal, (which is funny, how a ''plant'' can even BE illegal'' How do the Government explain, Why they have not made Cigarette's illegal. 😕

Originally posted by Black Rob
Cigarette's should never have existed,but for many reasons,they will never go away...

1.Too much has already been built on the tobacco industry
2.People who already smoke will protest and find other means of getting cigarettes
3.Americans always want something more when it's illegal

I JUST GAVE UP THE SIGS AND AM VERY HAPPY WIF MYSELF FOR DOIN SO. IT SUCKS. BUT I DONT THINK IT SOULD BE BAND COZ PPL WOULD STILL SMOKE ANYWAY.BUT THEYD B DOIN IT ILLEGALY

That's quite a user name, avi, and dancing banana you got for yourself! 😂