Originally posted by Mr Master
[BSo now Rachel is her own power, she doesn't derive this power from Phoenix the Force, even if it's a limited amount she can draw?
Honestly though as much as it hurts to be wrong, you telling me that you understand "This Entity Rachel's power is extrairdinary" ashim talking about just Rachel, or do does your pride blind you so that you do not see in fact, "This Entity Rachel's power" as it being a seperate Entity which is obviously Rachel's power?[/B]
Rachel and the Force are not the same the same entity. She has an affinity for the Force and can draw upon its power in limited amounts, (the amount increased during her run as a Phoenix)
The Beyonder addressed Rachel as an entity he never said the entity behind Rachels power, he referred to Rachel and the power she could employ. He said Rachel as an entity had the potential to be most like him, he said Rachel the "starsoul" was the only living being who wasnt an amoeba in comparison to him. In light of this your points are void, they are assumptions based and as such just dont cut it. Again i apologise. 🙁
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B
Come on are you serious? Or are you being obtuse again, no offense,
but by not excepting the fact that Beyonder is Millions of Times more Powerful than the Multiverse Combined, although it was on panel, you've forced me to believe when your proven wrong you become stubborn and irrational. [/B]
A statement that was never proven to be anything but hyperbole. The top feats in Marvel dont belong to Beyonder, he did nothing to support that statement. His consciousness was overloaded by a being he's supposedly a million times greater than and it takes alot of his power to take out an abstract hes supposedly a million times greater than. Doesnt add up. Hyperbole. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He stated that he used alot of his power. The fact is that he poured so much into it that he didnt have enough left to reverse the action if it was taken. That tells you that it was at least half if anything it was more in light of that 😂
GS your a master debater, no you are the master, not lol, I'm serious.
You just made a claim it took half his power to kill Death, you where wrong because it doesn't say that anywhere, now you again assume it HAD to be half because of whatever reasons, you tell me not to speculate and yet you drill me with speculation and personal opiniated assumptions back to back.
I show you on panel Beyonder's power being gauged and you write it off as hyperbole.
your not easy,
In any case, he didn't have enough power to bring back the Multiversal Concept of Death because that's impossible if you think about it, Death is a concept, once it's erased it must be replaced not brought back, I mean where the heck does Death go once it dead, it's alomst an oxymoron.
So what does he do, and had the power to do immediately after he realizes that even he cannot bring back the exact concept of Death itself?
He recreates the Multiversal Concept of Death:
Proof as always.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Big wow. Thanos with HOTU took out LT and Phoenix puts an end to LT, Eternity and Death cyclically as part of the day job, just check out X-men Forever. No biggie. 😉
Strange, didn't know Thanos took out the Multiversal Concepts, swore it was only a universal killing spree he had, but hey I could be wrong, or perhaps there were two version of The End saga, one in which he kills everything a single universe and another in which he kills everything in the Multiverse, LOL.
I have never underestimated Phoenix the Force/Jean, it is you who cannot except Beyonder's scope of power.
Originally posted by Mr Master
GS your a master debater, no you are the master, not lol, I'm serious.You just made a claim it took half his power to kill Death, you where wrong because it doesn't say that anywhere, now you again assume it HAD to be half because of whatever reasons, you tell me not to speculate and yet you drill me with speculation and personal opiniated assumptions back to back.
I show you on panel Beyonder's power being gauged and you write it off as hyperbole.
your not easy,
In any case, he didn't have enough power to bring back the Multiversal Concept of Death because that's impossible if you think about it, Death is a concept, once it's erased it must be replaced not brought back, I mean where the heck does Death go once it dead, it's alomst an oxymoron.
So what does he do, and had the power to do immediately after he realizes that even he cannot bring back the exact concept of Death itself?He recreates the Multiversal Concept of Death:
Proof as always.
My assumption about Beyonder stood to reason, it was common sense and was the only sensible deduction one could make given Beyonders comments. Your assumptions have not been so sensible. By your logic because Beyonder can cause destruction across the multiverse every outburst of his which has no specified scale must be multiversal in scale. 😕
Beyonder having power a million times that contained within the multiverse doesnt add up given his showings on panel. He just never did anything to tell us that it wasnt hyperbole. Its as simple as that.
As for your comments on the Death incident theyre just your assumptions, just speculation and theyre not supported on panel. Beyonder said that he poured alot of his power into the potion, so much so that if Death drank it he wouldnt have sufficient power to bring her back. That alone tells you that it was a power issue otherwise his comments with regard to him putting alot into the potion would be irrelevant and unnecessary. 😉
Perhaps I should show you the light of Beyonder's many feats, to bad all your reference of Classic Beyonder feats lie in Secret Wars II - 1 - 9, and those few X-Men issues, but the time has come to show you what this guy was made of:
Let's start here:
Here Beyonder completely obliterates an entire Galaxy almost 4 billion light years away
Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange, didn't know Thanos took out the Multiversal Concepts, swore it was only a universal killing spree he had, but hey I could be wrong, or perhaps there were two version of The End saga, one in which he kills everything a single universe and another in which he kills everything in the Multiverse, LOL.
As ever my young friend, youre missing the point. 😉
Thanos took out LT, a being who is beyond either Death or Eternity. He never just killed him, he absorbed his very being into himself along with the other abstracts. You getting the picture now? Better feat? Most certainly ✅
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have never underestimated Phoenix the Force/Jean,
Theres a good boy. You'd do well not to. 😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
Perhaps I should show you the light of Beyonder's many feats, to bad all your reference of Classic Beyonder feats lie in Secret Wars II - 1 - 9, and those few X-Men issues, but the time has come to show you what this guy was made of:Let's start here:
Here Beyonder completely obliterates an entire Galaxy almost 4 billion light years away
Please dont as i have Secret Wars in TPB format. Carry on and i'll stick on a dvd and come back when youve finished wasting your time. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When you've quite finished we'll continue the lesson. In fact i might give it a rest for today so make the most of my absence, do your worst cos GS will come back tomorrow sift through the sewage and tell it how it really is. Nite nite son 😉
ready
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!
just like you did,
Bottom Line:
Originally posted by bean_machine
LOLWell even without any on panel feats, I belive that CB is top dawg.
The problem is that he was made toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo powerful and had to be reduced to rubbish.
Actually he did have on panel feats, I've posted some of them although there are many more.
The thing is this GS guy will not except anything but his version of how the world spins around, and he has an excuse or an explanation for every incorrect piece of information he spits out, and he dodges the facts with long monologues that leave you drained, enough to find yourself convinced if your a simpleton. I showed him the FACT with on PANEL PROOF, of Classic Beyonder being as powerful as he was, and his remark was, "It's hyperbole",
simply because TOAA didn't have an actual power gauge stuck into the Beyonder's butt to verify if he trully was Millions of Times more Powerful than All the Power in the Multiverse Combined.
Funny thing is even after the Beyonder expended crazy energy to kill the Multiversal Concept of Death, he still was more powerful than the rest of the Multiverse Combined.
And once again Proof:
The guy says, "Yes, but you must still be stronger than everybody else in this room combined, or they'd had jumped us by now"
Originally posted by bean_machine
LOLWell even without any on panel feats, I belive that CB is top dawg.
The problem is that he was made toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo powerful and had to be reduced to rubbish.
Look at Beyonder creating star systems including planets with but a wave of his hands.
Originally posted by bean_machine
LOLWell even without any on panel feats, I belive that CB is top dawg.
The problem is that he was made toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo powerful and had to be reduced to rubbish.
Look at what happens when the Beyonder ponders the fate of the Multiverse,
Suns Implode, Worlds Collide, Parallel Dimensions Colapse Upon Themselves,
He's not even trying he just get's frustrated and Star Systems die.
Proof as always:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually he did have on panel feats, I've posted some of them although there are many more.The thing is this GS guy will not except anything but his version of how the world spins around, and he has an excuse or an explanation for every incorrect piece of information he spits out, and he dodges the facts with long monologues that leave you drained, enough to find yourself convinced if your a simpleton. I showed him the FACT with on PANEL PROOF, of Classic Beyonder being as powerful as he was, and his remark was, "It's hyperbole",
simply because TOAA didn't have an actual power gauge stuck into the Beyonder's butt to verify if he trully was Millions of Times more Powerful than All the Power in the Multiverse Combined.
Funny thing is even after the Beyonder expended crazy energy to kill the Multiversal Concept of Death, he still was more powerful than the rest of the Multiverse Combined.
And once again Proof:
The guy says, "Yes, but you must still be stronger than everybody else in this room combined, or they'd had jumped us by now"
The bottom line is there is insufficient evidence to show us conclusively that that line is not hyperbole. Beyonder doesnt have the top feat sin Marvel, all his feat scould be performed by other powers, thats the crux of the matter. Waffle on till your hearts content but at the end of the day we both know you have NOT A THING. Really sorry son. 🙁