Originally posted by Makedde
Sometimes people think that nothing can be done to help them.
That's because they dont try.
Killing yourself is the cowards way out. Why?
When somebody kills themselves, they're doing it for themselves, nonbody else. They ruin other peoples lives in the process. People who love them are destroyed for years thinking thier the reason. How could that be courage?
Courage:
The state or quality of mind or spirit that enables one to face danger, fear, or vicissitudes with self-possession, confidence, and resolution; bravery
How can you possible think that killing yourself be courage, when courage usually involves staying alive and fighting the odds?
Another example of courage:
It takes courage for an soldier to storm the beach of Normandy while its cowardly to run away from it.
Staying alive and fighting your problems is courage, while killing yourself because you dont want to live fix your problems is cowardly.
Also, the small scratches on the arm before the big cut is not "practice", its called self mutaliation.
Originally posted by Makedde
You have obviously never tried to kill yourself. You have obviously never suffered from depression, or else you would know how hard it is to get out of the big black hole that sucks in and won't let go. You have idea. No idea at all.
Not true, I know a great deal of people whom had "depression" and are now perfectly fine and stable. Hell, most of my friends have admitted to thinking about killing themselves. And now they look back on those years in shame.
I, myself, have gotten the short end of the stick during my preteen to young teen years. But I never once thought about killing myself. I was picked on all the time, but I was strong enough to decide that those people don't matter. Only how I view myself matters. And you know what? Once sophomore year in high school hit, my life is great now. So tell me how killing yourself is an act of courage?
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Once sophomore year in high school hit, my life is great now. So tell me how killing yourself is an act of courage?
She never answers the question. She responds with a question thinking that I dont know anything about depression.
So listen here,
One of my parents suffers from manic depression, angry managament and has an chemical inbalance in the brain. They have tried to kill themselves once by drinking draino. They have suffered this for 20 years of thier life. They still have the medical condition, which is controlled by drugs (they sometiems work)
So think, when your 14, living in a family composed of a step father and thier two kids, myself, having your mom attack all three of them with a knife occasionally, having your step brother call your mom an whore and then waking up one day, and seeing your mom carted off in a strecher because she tried to kill herself.
(That's not all that has happened)
How do you call that courage?
How the **** can you say I never experienced depression?
How can a person who suffers depression medically can still be fine and normal?
There is no courage in killing yourself, they're is no willpower. They're willpower in knowing you tried to kill yourself, and then get help.
Killing yourself is lazy and cowardly.
And lastly, please answer Mr Death and mines question. How is killing yourself and act of courage?
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Not true, I know a great deal of people whom had "depression" and are now perfectly fine and stable. Hell, most of my friends have admitted to thinking about killing themselves. And now they look back on those years in shame.I, myself, have gotten the short end of the stick during my preteen to young teen years. But I never once thought about killing myself. I was picked on all the time, but I was strong enough to decide that those people don't matter. Only how I view myself matters. And you know what? Once sophomore year in high school hit, my life is great now. So tell me how killing yourself is an act of courage?
You are lucky, but please remember that everyone is different. We all deal in different ways. Some people are not as emotionally strong as others, and they should not be blamed for this.
Ok, but how is killing yourself an act of courage?
Im going to keep on asking until you actually give a response, and not a response that gives pity to people who kill themselves.
When you metion blame, do you mean blaming the person who kill themselves?
A person who kill themselves get all the blame, nonbody else. They're cowards, simple as that.
Originally posted by Makedde
You are lucky, but please remember that everyone is different. We all deal in different ways. Some people are not as emotionally strong as others, and they should not be blamed for this.
They are not to be blamed for this? So then they were murdered? They didn't take their own lives?
Originally posted by Makedde
They did take their own lives, but it's not their fault they couldn't overcome their suicidal thoughts. As I said, everyone is different.
It might not be their fault that they couldn't over come their own thoughts, but yes they are to be blamed for commiting suicide. It was their thoughts, not anyone elses.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
It might not be their fault that they couldn't over come their own thoughts, but yes they are to be blamed for commiting suicide. It was their thoughts, not anyone elses.
You don't seem very understanding...I'd prefer if people did sort out their problems, but many can't deal with the pain. I think that instead of condeming these people, we should support them, and try to understand them more.
Originally posted by Makedde
You don't seem very understanding...I'd prefer if people did sort out their problems, but many can't deal with the pain. I think that instead of condemning these people, we should support them, and try to understand them more.
Don't quite understand how you think I'm not understanding. Placing blame has nothing to do with understanding their reasons.
You don't seem to get the difference between blame, and condemnation. If you kill yourself there is no one else to blame other then yourself. There's nothing else to it. It's your fault. Therefore the blame rests with you, and you alone. You don't seem to get that part, because you seem to want to blame others.
I am by no means condemning them. I'm simply stating that blame is all theirs.
Originally posted by Makedde
Blame is sometimes hard to accept, for someone who may have tried to commit suicide, but failed. Saying it is there own fault and that they have no one to blame but themselves will not help them overcome their depression.
I don't mean to be cruel nor heartless, but they're already dead...They're depressed no more.
Originally posted by Makedde
They did take their own lives, but it's not their fault they couldn't overcome their suicidal thoughts. As I said, everyone is different.
Wouldnt it be courage to overcome those thoughts of killing themselves?
It cant be courage both ways.
Also, sometimes, when you try to kill yourself, and survive by other means, getting blamed and relizing the shame actually helps out.