Teenage Suicide

Originally posted by Smasandian
Wouldnt it be courage to overcome those thoughts of killing themselves?

It takes a lot more courage to overcome your feelings, yes, but as I said, everyone is different. Some of us can withstand great emotional pain, others can't. These people who kill themselves would likely have very low self esteem, can't stand up for themselves, and can't withstand emotional pain. A person like that won't ask for help, they don't have the capacity to do that. This is why family and friends need to watch out for these things, the signs of depression.

I have seen parents of children who have killed themselves go on TV saying 'We had no idea he/she was so depressed'. Bullshit. When your child is living under the same roof as you, you pay attention to what that child is doing. The kid can try to hide the fact that he or she is depressed, but they can't hide it completely. Families just seem to ignore their kids, thinking they just snap out of it, but it doesn't work that way.

Originally posted by spidergrl
Please let me know if this is somehow FAIR?

A girl, for the whole of last year (2005) got bullied by alot of people in my school, no real/main reason why, a teenage thing, where its kewl somehow by making other people feel like utter sh!t.
So anyway, the holidays came, and school just started back, and she doesn't return. Why, because a few weeks before school, she kills herself (hung herself).
How do people have the right to take other peoples lives? To push them so far to the edge and then over?
😠

Originally posted by JKozzy
Such is life. People suck. If you don't learn that, stuff like this will happen.

Thank God you weren't bullied.

Plenty of people are bullied yet don't kill themselves.

Originally posted by Lana
Plenty of people are bullied yet don't kill themselves.

Everyone has a different emotionally capicity than others. Some people can handle emotional pain, others can't.

I'm about the last person on earth you need to explain stuff like that to.

But Koz is right - life isn't fair. Stuff like that happens. And it's not fair, but neither is anything else.

Originally posted by spidergrl
Please let me know if this is somehow FAIR?

A girl, for the whole of last year (2005) got bullied by alot of people in my school, no real/main reason why, a teenage thing, where its kewl somehow by making other people feel like utter sh!t.
So anyway, the holidays came, and school just started back, and she doesn't return. Why, because a few weeks before school, she kills herself (hung herself).
How do people have the right to take other peoples lives? To push them so far to the edge and then over?
😠

Rule # 1. Never, NEVER post anything like this at KMC if you are expecting a response filled with any type of compassion or understanding for your feelings because you wont be getting it. It doesnt exist amoung most of these people. And those be my final words in this thread.

Originally posted by Makedde
Thank God you weren't bullied.

Originally posted by JKozzy
Who says I wasn't?

If you were, you were lucky you were emotionally strong enough to deal with it.

Across the oceans of time, far worse things have happened(not that I take this lightly, very unfortunate when somone is so beaten down they take their own life.)

As previously said in this thread ' people suck '. It is a great shame we couldnt all be raised in a proper world...

Originally posted by Makedde
It takes a lot more courage to overcome your feelings, yes, but as I said, everyone is different. Some of us can withstand great emotional pain, others can't. These people who kill themselves would likely have very low self esteem, can't stand up for themselves, and can't withstand emotional pain. A person like that won't ask for help, they don't have the capacity to do that. This is why family and friends need to watch out for these things, the signs of depression.

I have seen parents of children who have killed themselves go on TV saying 'We had no idea he/she was so depressed'. Bullshit. When your child is living under the same roof as you, you pay attention to what that child is doing. The kid can try to hide the fact that he or she is depressed, but they can't hide it completely. Families just seem to ignore their kids, thinking they just snap out of it, but it doesn't work that way.

So it doesnt take courage to kill yourself then?

Thats bullshit. I cant believe your blaming parents. What are the signs of being depressed?
Please tell me?
Parents know that they're something wrong, but they dont automatically assume that its depression and the kid will hang himself the next day. Generally, the parents ask the kid if everything is alright, and usually the kids goes, "nothing wrong".
And they're right to assume that everything will be okay, because it usually is. You tell it like everybody kills themselves, buts thats not true.
Also, parents generally dont know what kids go through right now. Its hard for parents to look for signs that they dont know exist. You gotta remember that parents today had a much horrible and terrifying world when they were kids.
But dont blame parents. Thats bullshit.
It's also funny that you blame everybody else except for the person who killed themselves. Its up to them to tell people if they're is something wrong, because kids today, dont tell parents shit.

Lastly, parents do pay attention, but kids are crafty if they dont want them to know something.
Case in point: I was a huge alchoholic when i was a teenager. I usually kept a 24, a couple of 40's of vodka and other assorted drinks in my room by hiding them. They never found it. Are they bad parents?

Originally posted by Smasandian
So it doesnt take courage to kill yourself then?

Thats bullshit. I cant believe your blaming parents. What are the signs of being depressed?
Please tell me?
Parents know that they're something wrong, but they dont automatically assume that its depression and the kid will hang himself the next day. Generally, the parents ask the kid if everything is alright, and usually the kids goes, "nothing wrong".
And they're right to assume that everything will be okay, because it usually is. You tell it like everybody kills themselves, buts thats not true.
Also, parents generally dont know what kids go through right now. Its hard for parents to look for signs that they dont know exist. You gotta remember that parents today had a much horrible and terrifying world when they were kids.
But dont blame parents. Thats bullshit.
It's also funny that you blame everybody else except for the person who killed themselves. Its up to them to tell people if they're is something wrong, because kids today, dont tell parents shit.

Lastly, parents do pay attention, but kids are crafty if they dont want them to know something.
Case in point: I was a huge alchoholic when i was a teenager. I usually kept a 24, a couple of 40's of vodka and other assorted drinks in my room by hiding them. They never found it. Are they bad parents?

First and foremost the bullies were to blame, this behavior wouldnt be tolerated in a proper world. There is some blame on the parents...Any sign that your child is depressed should immediately be acted on if your a decent parent. I dont think any blame should be put on the suicide victim, if you put yourself in a similar situation to hers you would probably understand.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
First and foremost the bullies were to blame, this behavior wouldnt be tolerated in a proper world. There is some blame on the parents...Any sign that your child is depressed should immediately be acted on if your a decent parent. I dont think any blame should be put on the suicide victim, if you put yourself in a similar situation to hers you would probably understand.

Most of us have admitted we've been in a similiar situation. And what do you mean it wouldn't be tolerated in a proper world? Unless they physically touched her, they did nothing wrong in the eyes of the state. As long as they didn't verbally threaten her, it's called freedom of speech. 🙁

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
First and foremost the bullies were to blame, this behavior wouldnt be tolerated in a proper world. There is some blame on the parents...Any sign that your child is depressed should immediately be acted on if your a decent parent. I dont think any blame should be put on the suicide victim, if you put yourself in a similar situation to hers you would probably understand.

If you read the post, I have been, and I'm still alive.

The problem is not that parents dont act on what the child has, the problem is that parents dont know what thier child is going throught.

How many times have you told your parents to **** off and get out of your business?
How many times have you not told your parents about what is happening in your life?

Its the fact of life in the nuclear family. Kids are different than parents because its different times. Just because your child is sad doesnt automatically mean that he is depressed.

Why dont you blame a suicide victim?
What happens if the suicide victim didnt showcase that they were depressed (its pretty easy to do it), and then suddenly offs themselves. What would you say if this person was your little brother who you loved dearly, and now he's not there because he didnt have any "signs". Wouldnt you feel angry because he didnt ask for help.

Suicide victims get all the blame because they made the decision, nonbody else even if it destroys whole families and thier friend for the rest of the lives. But its okay, they were depressed. So its allright.

I read almost all of the posts and all i can say is wow, when you say dont expect and compassion you were right. Anyone who can't deal with life can choose to kill themselves or not its up to them. Everything begins with choice. Some choose to bully, some choose to commit suicide. If you are going to put blame on the bullies then i might as well blame you for knowing this and sitting back with your thumb up your ass, and THEN being the geneis you are posting you "sympithy" thread about your "friend". You shouldnt come in here with a thread as such while you were just sitting back enjoying the show. Congrats to you man. No matter who you put blame on wont change the fact that shes gone and shes not comming back.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
First and foremost the bullies were to blame, this behavior wouldnt be tolerated in a proper world. There is some blame on the parents...Any sign that your child is depressed should immediately be acted on if your a decent parent. I dont think any blame should be put on the suicide victim, if you put yourself in a similar situation to hers you would probably understand.

Who told her to commit suicide? Not the bullies

Originally posted by spidergrl
Please let me know if this is somehow FAIR?

A girl, for the whole of last year (2005) got bullied by alot of people in my school, no real/main reason why, a teenage thing, where its kewl somehow by making other people feel like utter sh!t.
So anyway, the holidays came, and school just started back, and she doesn't return. Why, because a few weeks before school, she kills herself (hung herself).
How do people have the right to take other peoples lives? To push them so far to the edge and then over?
😠

You can't say whether it's fair or not. The bullies may have caused upset but at the end of the day, she chose to take her life and it is a sin to put that burdon on someone else. 🙁

Originally posted by TheOne101
I read almost all of the posts and all i can say is wow, when you say dont expect and compassion you were right. Anyone who can't deal with life can choose to kill themselves or not its up to them. Everything begins with choice. Some choose to bully, some choose to commit suicide. If you are going to put blame on the bullies then i might as well blame you for knowing this and sitting back with your thumb up your ass, and THEN being the geneis you are posting you "sympithy" thread about your "friend". You shouldnt come in here with a thread as such while you were just sitting back enjoying the show. Congrats to you man. No matter who you put blame on wont change the fact that shes gone and shes not comming back.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Who told her to commit suicide? Not the bullies

Originally posted by Eternal Turmoil
You can't say whether it's fair or not. The bullies may have caused upset but at the end of the day, she chose to take her life and it is a sin to put that burdon on someone else. 🙁

Originally posted by Smasandian
If you read the post, I have been, and I'm still alive.

The problem is not that parents dont act on what the child has, the problem is that parents dont know what thier child is going throught.

How many times have you told your parents to **** off and get out of your business?
How many times have you not told your parents about what is happening in your life?

Its the fact of life in the nuclear family. Kids are different than parents because its different times. Just because your child is sad doesnt automatically mean that he is depressed.

Why dont you blame a suicide victim?
What happens if the suicide victim didnt showcase that they were depressed (its pretty easy to do it), and then suddenly offs themselves. What would you say if this person was your little brother who you loved dearly, and now he's not there because he didnt have any "signs". Wouldnt you feel angry because he didnt ask for help.

Suicide victims get all the blame because they made the decision, nonbody else even if it destroys whole families and thier friend for the rest of the lives. But its okay, they were depressed. So its allright.

Since you are indeed still alive, your situation wasnt bad enough for self-murder. Believe me anyone can be driven to that point in the right situation.

There are signs that a victim of depression simply cant hide no matter how much they try to hold it in. I dont know maybe Im just very good at reading people, but I can always tell who is depressed at my school and who isnt.

Im usually open to my parents...I understand the situation may be different in alot of households but oh well it really depends on the determination of the parent to protect their child.

Going back to that point, I would be able to tell if a family member was depressed enough that they would be capable of suicide. If somehow I didnt see it....well...yes I would be angry and deeply saddened but everyone does have the option to end their life if they dont want to live it anymore. 🙁