Teenage Suicide

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Since you are indeed still alive, your situation wasnt bad enough for self-murder.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
everyone does have the option to end their life if they dont want to live it anymore. 🙁

Exactly what JKozzy said.

People can kill themselves, but to think I should feel sorry for them, thats entire different thing.

Originally posted by JKozzy
I don't really think that's for you to decide.

Obviously the option's there, but if they take it, they're awfully selfish for not considering the impact upon others, not to mention that there are always alternatives to taking one's life.

For the first statement, your right...perhaps Smasandian is just a stronger person. Regardless, being weak(within reason) is not something that a person should be blamed for...no one should have to be physically, mentally or emotionally abused.

For the second statement, my view is opposite to yours. I agree with you that every step should be taken to heal a victim of depression, suicide should always be a last resort. But here is where I disagree, if nothing can be done then it is selfish of us to prevent somone from taking a life that wholly belongs to them. Which is more merciful to the victim? To finnaly have relief or continue their suffering? If it was somone I cared about then I would put their well-being above my own.

The problem is that it's entirely treatable. If the person is depressed, killing themselves is an easy way out because they can be treated.
There is not such thing as a last resort when it comes to depression. They're is always some other treatment, drug, or activity that can make the person less depressed.

Because of this, somebody who kills themselves is viewed as being selfish because generally, they are too lazy to go and find help. Most people who are depressed and get help, dont kill themselves later on. It's the people who dont ask for help that do.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Which is more merciful to the victim? To finnaly have relief or continue their suffering? If it was somone I cared about then I would put their well-being above my own.

🙁 I would like to start off by saying that it was not the girls falt for killing herself.She did not ask to be bullied . I think that it is awful that someone could push somebody else into doing things like that. The people who were bullying her did not only make her sad and upset but they also have caused her friends and family alot of pain and I know what it feels like to have lost someone to suicide.My grandad did the same thing by hangigng himself,he was also trying to get away from something but for his sake I am not going to say what. But I would like to ask where her friends and family were at this time in her life.

Originally posted by x Jordz x
:But I would like to ask where her friends and family were at this time in her life.

Originally posted by x Jordz x
🙁 I would like to start off by saying that it was not the girls falt for killing herself.

🙁 Its such a waste of life when people kill themselves..... i was bullied something terrible at high school and i didnt know why and it made me really bad i refused to leave the house at certain points but never thought of ending my own life...now im slightly bit older, i now seem them for what they really are there not scary /there cowards that are just doing it to look big . and now when i see them i cant help but chuckle to myself ... but i still feel for those that dont manage to cope

Apparently she had no escape as some of us do. I.E. a forum or a chat room, etc. If she was at KMC she totally woulda been goin all Kun Fu on those bullies' asses. guranteed 🥷

Originally posted by TheOne101
Apparently she had no escape as some of us do. I.E. a forum or a chat room, etc. If she was at KMC she totally woulda been goin all Kun Fu on those bullies' asses. guranteed 🥷

Ooh, you're right. If I saw a dozen OTF'ers coming at me with their spastic thoughts trailing from their brains, I'd die right there on the spot.

Originally posted by x Jordz x
🙁 I would like to start off by saying that it was not the girls falt for killing herself.She did not ask to be bullied . I think that it is awful that someone could push somebody else into doing things like that. The people who were bullying her did not only make her sad and upset but they also have caused her friends and family alot of pain and I know what it feels like to have lost someone to suicide.My grandad did the same thing by hangigng himself,he was also trying to get away from something but for his sake I am not going to say what. But I would like to ask where her friends and family were at this time in her life.

I have to half agree with you and half disagree with you on this one. From suffering from derpession myself, I know how hard it is at times, it's not only hard on you yourself, but it's also hard on your friends and family.

I understand where you're coming from when you say:

I think that it is awful that someone could push somebody else into doing things like that.

I agree, I think that it's awful that anyone can have the power to do that to someone, but what is worse that people around the world use this power to hurt and abuse people. People that they don't even know from anything, but its fun or they're bored and turn to this kind of thing.

You were also right in saying that this girls actions have hurt many people around her. Not just her close family, but friends, friends of friends and people she probably didn't know they knew her at all. But I have come to relise over the last year, you can not blame these teenagers for her actions, unless they put the gun in her hand and pressed the trigger. They by all means, gave her the feelings for her to maybe lead to this end, but thats all. It comes down to and I quote a saying

“Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.”

This is true when you think about it, but it gets down to these resources need to be at place in the beginning to even start to make a difference. The resources to prevent the amount of youth suicide, the amount of bullying, and the abuse which is taking over in our society.

Originally posted by spidergrl
Please let me know if this is somehow FAIR?

A girl, for the whole of last year (2005) got bullied by alot of people in my school, no real/main reason why, a teenage thing, where its kewl somehow by making other people feel like utter sh!t.
So anyway, the holidays came, and school just started back, and she doesn't return. Why, because a few weeks before school, she kills herself (hung herself).
How do people have the right to take other peoples lives? To push them so far to the edge and then over?
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“Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.”

I agree with Smasandian.

Originally posted by Wonderer
My dear friend, I can understand how you feel.
Every single person is responsible for their own lives and actions, nobody else. I feel compassion for the girl, but she made her own decision and acted out of sheer selfishness and inflated sense of self-importance. I've been through much the same pain and circumstance, but I realised that I have the power to be happy and at peace.

I don't actually think that you fully understand how you feel till you get continously bullied like her, until you feel like their is no way out. At the point of having the world against you, your not thinking about what other people want, your thinking about how to make your life worth living, and at that point, it doesn't seem like there is much to live for. Day after Day feels the same, you wake up in the morning and you don't want to leave your room because you know whats going. The dreed in your stomach begins to take over and you wish that you could just disappear and thats what she did. As I said in my post above, it wasn't the people who killed her, she did that herself, but the actions which were taken upon by these cowardest people that I shall ever meet, did help her towards the final actions. She put the rope in her hand, she stepped off the stool, and she killed herself. But if she never had gotten this crap then you know just as well as I do that ... she wouldn't have been in that situation at that point in time ... maybe something would have happened a month down the track, where she ends up in the same situation with a rope ... but the facts are there, she was pushed towards that answer in her life, by a group of teenagers who i hope will carry this for the rest of their lives, and hopefully everyone else who is making someone elses life a hell. You might think its funny at the time, but when that person holds a gun to their head and pulls the trigger, please let me know if you think its funny then!!

Originally posted by Wonderer
[B]Crap! We are responsible for ourselves and our own actions. Suicide is misguided judgement out of illusion of the self and neglect for others.

Your right, suicide is responsibility of our own actions, but at the time it is proven that the thoughts that are going through your head, are not healthy and yet not right. Our bodies and minds aren't suppose to want to harm ourselves or end our lives, which means that we're not in control of our thoughts properly so we can't make the most human life decision, where we are thinking about everyone around us and also ourselves.

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Of course its not fair. You don´t need a weapon to kill... killling can be easier than we think. Murderers do not always have that "angered person who is lately behaving strangely" stereotype.

Originally posted by tegeen
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What are you smiling about?

sometimes the ignoarance pf arrogant posters on these threads makes me wanna puke. suicides are NOT responsible for their own actions suicide is the result of pain excedeing the ability of the mind to cope with pain.

[Sarcasm]Yeah, they're not responsible for killing themselves are they?[/Sarcasm]

Of course they are. They might not be responsible for why they want to kill themselves, but for the act itself, they are. Hence why it's called "suicide".

-AC