Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: ROUND 2, Fight 1- illadelph12 vs. Blair Wind

Originally posted by illadelph12
Prime spent an hour training with 2 different power sets, and then in battle, used Multiple Man's powers and created a clone army. He has no battle experience using the powers, no extended skill in using the powers, and at most has a base leve knowledge of the powers because he split time using them both and didn't use them during the fight.

Even with equal training on both power sets, DB Prime would have 30 minutes worth of prior training on Crystal and Powerhouse's powers, which was focused primarily on learning to create gravity wells to slow down Speedfreak and winds to blow away radioactive fallout from Radioactive Man. Then he switched to Multiple Man and didn't fight using the powers of Crystal and Powerhouse, his blank slate clones did. 👇

however in the beginning of the fight he did use those powers before he used multiple mans to win the day. and it was focused primarily on making gravity heavier and lighter, how to fly, and how to shoot power bombs, then how to create rain, how to create fire, how to control earth, and how to control air.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and when did you get a time machine to change your first attack? your first attack was to have monolith and KK come at me with gamora and vertigo in the rear, mine was to have a sand storm. hmmmmm 🙄

winds can go really high, and my forcefield protects me from too much damage. The winds would reflect her scream so really your only attacking yourself. If their coming right at me and that was their original plan, they dont get a chance to just go above me. KK gets covered in sand, hes not gonna think anything of the sand while he's flying (i mean it cant affect him right?) thats when I crush him. Monolith gets taken back to preschool by Powerhouse and my gaints, and gamora and vertigo were blown away and buried by my sand

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Yeah right.

B-Dub, I'm the one that talked you out of letting Long Pig bully you into sticking with your first plan of attack. Do you really think I'm going to let you disuade me from changing tactics?

Please.

Monolith clasps Vertigo in his hand and speeds to your side of the battlefield to get Vertigo in range as KK takes Gamora around your flank. Once Vertigo is in range, it's showtime. Every member of your team is going to be dizzy and unable to mount an attack, and Monolith could just step or sit on them and KK and Gamora can clean up the rest.

Originally posted by illadelph12
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Yeah right.

B-Dub, I'm the one that talked you out of letting Long Pig bully you into sticking with your first plan of attack. Do you really think I'm going to let you disuade me from changing tactics?

Please.

Monolith clasps Vertigo in his hand and speeds to your side of the battlefield to get Vertigo in range as KK takes Gamora around your flank. Once Vertigo is in range, it's showtime. Every member of your team is going to be dizzy and unable to mount an attack, and Monolith could just step or sit on them and KK and Gamora can clean up the rest.

you seem to be ignoring the fact that vertigos scream plays no role thanks to my winds.

Two things happen:
1) he scream gets reflected back
2) he mouth gets filled with sand

Monolith gets jumped by my giants and a powerhouse

KK gets covered in a sand (something that he does not think can hurt him thanks to his suit) Gravity control lets me crush him to death.

Gamora got lost in the winds and buried somewhere.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
however in the beginning of the fight he did use those powers before he used multiple mans to win the day. and it was focused primarily on making gravity heavier and lighter, how to fly, and how to shoot power bombs, then how to create rain, how to create fire, how to control earth, and how to control air.

Yes, in the span of 1 hour Duplicate Boy had minimal training on two separate power sets that he didn't use for the duration of combat because he dropped the powers, took on Multiple Man's powers, and created a Dupe army.

He has no formal or anywhere near full training, and a miniscule amount of combat expereince because the plan to use him as an attacker was scrapped so he could form the clone army. 👇

Now 3 of your dupes have dropped the powers they had a small amount of knowledge of and copied Monolith, a character they have no prior knowledge of, no experience in the use of his abilities, and no idea what the full range of his abilities are, or any combat experience with his ability set. 👇

Originally posted by Blair Wind
you seem to be ignoring the fact that vertigos scream plays no role thanks to my winds.

Two things happen:
1) he scream gets reflected back
2) he mouth gets filled with sand

Monolith gets jumped by my giants and a powerhouse

KK gets covered in a sand (something that he does not think can hurt him thanks to his suit) Gravity control lets me crush him to death.

Gamora got lost in the winds and buried somewhere.

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B-Dub, Vertigo doesn't scream, she emits an ultrasonic pulse. Once Monolith gets her in range, it's lights out, and KK and Gamora (who are FLYING) kill your whole team.

She's also a woman.

You're thinking of Banshee (I think).

Also, Monolith has her clasped in his hand and is flying her to your side of the battle field. In the palm of his hand she is protected.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Yes, in the span of [b]1 hour Duplicate Boy had minimal training on two separate power sets that he didn't use for the duration of combat because he dropped the powers, took on Multiple Man's powers, and created a Dupe army.

he has no formal or anywhere near full training, and a miniscule amount of combat expereince because the plan to use him as an attacker was scrapped so he could form the clone army. 👇

Now 3 of your dupes have dropped the powers they had a small amount of knowledge of and copied Monolith, a character they have no prior knowledge of, no experience in the use of his abilities, and no idea what the full range of his abilities are, or any combat experience with his ability set. 👇 [/B]

well you could say two hours, this prep time was spent retouching on those powers with the dupes and they already had an hour before as prime.

And only 2 have monoliths powers and its not about having full access to his powers but about being a brick with class 100 strength. They can still hit, run, punch, smack, bit, anything to do with fighting.

Originally posted by illadelph12
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B-Dub, Vertigo doesn't scream, she emits an ultrasonic pulse. Once Monolith gets her in range, it's lights out, and KK and Gamora (who are FLYING) kill your whole team.

She's also a woman.

You're thinking of Banshee (I think).

Also, Monolith has her clasped in his hand and is flying her to your side of the battle field. In the palm of his hand she is protected.

still travels through air molecules right? (just like if the thing did a thunderclap it would negate her pulse) my winds push air molecules back at you, simple as that.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well you could say two hours, this prep time was spent retouching on those powers with the dupes and they already had an hour before as prime.

And only 2 have monoliths powers and its not about having full access to his powers but about being a brick with class 100 strength. They can still hit, run, punch, smack, bit, anything to do with fighting.

It would still equate to one hour with each power set and no combat experince.

And I still don't think copied characters retain knowledge per the rules.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
still travels through air molecules right? (just like if the thing did a thunderclap it would negate her pulse) my winds push air molecules back at you, simple as that.

Your winds aren't omnidirectional, I can out maneuver you. I can still get in range before Crystal can mark me, I fly faster than she can react. All I have to do is bull charge and get Vertigo in range. Once she's in range she can emit her pulse and Monolith can fly her into a position for max effect.

Calrification on "power copying". One cannot take the experiences and skills of the PEOPLE THEY ARE COPYING. BW, however, is saying that his DB clones would retain the knowledge of DB, which is both true and acceptable. And experiences from past rounds are indeed allowed, so DB would actaully have 2 hours and 1 fight's worth of experience before this. (as would Ill's team)

Again, he is taking knowledge from only DB Prime, not from Monolith/Crystal/Powerhouse themselves. When Madrox sends out dupes, he can reabsorb them and instantly have access to all of their new memories and skills. It's not stealing powers, it's retaining knowledge that he himself collected. There's no memory cap, or an elephant would've been totally banned. 😉

Originally posted by Dizzle
Calrification on "power copying". One cannot take the experiences and skills of the PEOPLE THEY ARE COPYING. BW, however, is saying that his DB clones would retain the knowledge of DB, which is both true and acceptable. And experiences from past rounds are indeed allowed, so DB would actaully have 2 hours and 1 fight's worth of experience before this. (as would Ill's team)

Again, he is taking knowledge from only DB Prime, not from Monolith/Crystal/Powerhouse themselves. When Madrox sends out dupes, he can reabsorb them and instantly have access to all of their new memories and skills. It's not stealing powers, it's retaining knowledge that he himself collected. There's no memory cap, or an elephant would've been totally banned. 😉

I think if the experiences and powers from previous rounds are allowed then duplicate boy means Blair can't lose 😉

Originally posted by illadelph12
Your winds aren't omnidirectional, I can out maneuver you. I can still get in range before Crystal can mark me, I fly faster than she can react. All I have to do is bull charge and get Vertigo in range. Once she's in range she can emit her pulse and Monolith can fly her into a position for max effect.

the thing is she can make her winds omnidirectional, and the fact that Monolith is the one carrying her is actually very good. The fact that he was just introduced to the speeds he is traveling in, his brain would not be able to adjust to those speeds. He could very well overpass my position. And it doesnt matter where you are (vertigo being protected in monoliths palm) going at those speeds would make you black out if you cant handle them (think fighter pilots going really fast) if he even TRIES to out manuver me.

My crystals are within a forcefield while creating high winds. Once everything is covered in sand, and vertigos pulse has been dealt with (and theres LOTS of sand in her mouth,ears,nose), the winds stop.
KK is covered in sand (since he thinks its just some wind, and hey he can handle that right? he wouldnt be worried about it) and squezed to death with gravity and crystals earth control (its the one enemy he cannot defeat).

gamora has been buried, and if she hasnt been then a blast of wind mixed with sand that she cannot dodge takes her out before she can do anything.

Monolith is left and my two bulldozers, my more mobile powerhouses, and my wendigo darts can take care of him.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
the thing is she can make her winds omnidirectional, and the fact that Monolith is the one carrying her is actually very good. The fact that he was just introduced to the speeds he is traveling in, his brain would not be able to adjust to those speeds. He could very well overpass my position. And it doesnt matter where you are (vertigo being protected in monoliths palm) going at those speeds would make you black out if you cant handle them (think fighter pilots going really fast) if he even TRIES to out manuver me.

My crystals are within a forcefield while creating high winds. Once everything is covered in sand, and vertigos pulse has been dealt with (and theres LOTS of sand in her mouth,ears,nose), the winds stop.
KK is covered in sand (since he thinks its just some wind, and hey he can handle that right? he wouldnt be worried about it) and squezed to death with gravity and crystals earth control (its the one enemy he cannot defeat).

gamora has been buried, and if she hasnt been then a blast of wind mixed with sand that she cannot dodge takes her out before she can do anything.

Monolith is left and my two bulldozers, my more mobile powerhouses, and my wendigo darts can take care of him.

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Please.

How much brain adjustment do you need to charge? I don't have to be an acrobat. I can get from point A to point B extremely fast, and I'm travelling a short distance. Besides, as I've shown in the scans, Monolith can fly on his own and has very good coordination and reflexes for his size. Getting from my position to your position is not a problem. i'm not going to be flying around doing loops and figure eights. 👇

Gamora is with KK, she's not buried in anything. As I've said, i've adjusted my tactics accordingly. KK and Gamora can get to your position and open up the whoop ass. Even if you created an omnidirectional storm, there's srtill an eye to it where the weather is clear, and where your team is located, and that's exacttly where I'm going to be.

Your Crystals can't be everywhere. There's only 3 of them, and only one of them is highly skilled, and none of them are omniscient. The fact remains that once DB Prime dies, 6 members of your team die, and 70% of your offence disappears. Once KK kills him, if your Wendgos haven't already eaten him, and if your amateur Crystals haven't already blown him away, it's over.

And the fact still remains that KK and Monolith can move faster than any person on your team can react, and no one on your team save the Monolith clones could survive the impact of Monolith's 30', 10 ton mass charging into them at mach speeds (and the Monolith clones would be knocked through the air for miles). He can move faster than a bullet and crush your whole team on impact before they could attempt to dodge him.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think if the experiences and powers from previous rounds are allowed then duplicate boy means Blair can't lose 😉

I'm fairly sure he can't use the powers from previous rounds..... but not completely sure

Originally posted by illadelph12

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How much brain adjustment do you need to charge? I don't have to be an acrobat. I can get from point A to point B extremely fast, and I'm travelling a short distance. Besides, as I've shown in the scans, Monolith [b]can fly on his own and has very good coordination and reflexes for his size. Getting from my position to your position is not a problem. i'm not going to be flying around doing loops and figure eights. 👇[/B]

all the scan showed was him hovering, nothing more. The ability to brake at the precise moment is something that you need your brain to do and at those speeds his reactions would not be on par.

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Gamora is with KK, she's not buried in anything. As I've said, i've adjusted my tactics accordingly. KK and Gamora can get to your position and open up the whoop ass. Even if you created an omnidirectional storm, there's srtill an eye to it where the weather is clear, and where your team is located, and that's exacttly where I'm going to be.

While KK may be holding her, it doesnt mean when I blast you all she isnt gonna be knocked out. KK would be alright in the sand and winds but Gamora wont be. So sorry, she gets taken by mother nature. KK who has sand covering him, gets squezed to death by gravity.

Your Crystals can't be everywhere. There's only 3 of them, and only one of them is highly skilled, and none of them are omniscient. The fact remains that once DB Prime dies, 6 members of your team die, and 70% of your offence disappears. Once KK kills him, if your Wendgos haven't already eaten him, and if your amateur Crystals haven't already blown him away, it's over.

the fact remains that you keep on pretending like DB prime is gonna be your first target, when in fact hes your last and he's in hiding. Your too busy dealing with high winds, a forcefield, gravity effecting everything from making the molten rock lighter, making sand compress your KK, my gaints having gravity to keep them in place in case monolith hits them (your first attack was to get him there, not really to attack with him) either way if he hits us, my gravity controllers keep them firmly in place. My two gaints jump on him and open a can off whoop ass on him. Powerhouse hitting him with zero G punches and Wendigo (class 75 strenght *6) is gonna hurt him ALOT. Your Monolith is not unbeatable or indestructable, and my Wendigos strength *6 will kick his ass plus Zero G punches and Two of my own Jolly Giants. Sorry but my team is a whole lot more versitile and can adapt better than your team. 😉

Originally posted by illadelph12
And the fact still remains that KK and Monolith can move faster than any person on your team can react, and no one on your team save the Monolith clones could survive the impact of Monolith's 30', 10 ton mass charging into them at mach speeds (and the Monolith clones would be knocked through the air for miles). He can move faster than a bullet and crush your whole team on impact before they could attempt to dodge him.

thats why their up front 😉 and my gravity controllers have them firmly in place. Once he hits their on him like white on rice.

hmm in my opinion Blair Wind wins he seems to have too much versatility

yeah.... while Flying Monolith sounds impressive, when he tries to rush a team of smaller people he's bound to smack himself into the ground.... then having two or three other DB-Monoliths on him i can see him being neutralised

The sandstorm is a good idea... Gamora and Vertigo will certainly be f**ked in the middle of it, leaving only KK.... while i think KK may be able to take out a Monolith or two.... he can't take BW's entire team on his own

voting Blair Wind

I'm voting Blair Wind. The environment tactic is pretty solid and makes it hard for a guy like KK to function in my view and then theres the whole duplicate mess. bash