Originally posted by Blair Wind
your gonna have to be more clear than that.
As I said in an earlier post, KK has been around Monolith this whole tournament, and he knows his structual integrity and his weak points, which means you're Monolith Dopplegangers can be dealt with very easily.
Your clones have no experience in using Monolith's powers, they're simply big jobbers now since KK and Monolith can still speedblitz them and they really can't muster much of an offensive without knowing how to use Monolith's powers and having no time to learn before battle.
At least the Crystal clones learned how to make wind.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats if your just copying a power right off the bat. However Prime handled the powers and all his dupes get his knowledge. Are all of MM clones mindless? No they have his same knowledge. Same thing here, the dupes are an extention of the Prime.
Sorry man, rules say no expereince or skill gained from copying, which means your blank slate Dupe Boys in this round are just that, blank slates. Dupe Boy Prime copied Multiple Man in the first round as well, I did read the thread. Characters that copy powers retain no knowledge of the powers or experience using them. In this round, they're all blank slates. You have to train them in the 1 hour of prep.
Originally posted by illadelph12
As I said in an earlier post, KK has been around Monolith this whole tournament, and he knows his structual integrity and his weak points, which means you're Monolith Dopplegangers can be dealt with very easily.Your clones have no experience in using Monolith's powers, they're simply big jobbers now since KK and Monolith can still speedblitz them and they really can't muster much of an offensive without knowing how to use Monolith's powers and having no time to learn before battle.
At least the Crystal clones learned how to make wind.
Thing is that KK would first have to get to the gaints, and having sand covering you for the specific purpose of squezing you to death doesnt let you do that (and KK would not be expecting that, and its the one enemy he cannot beat). Sorry. My monoliths are still class 100 and durable as hell. And in the scans you provided it didnt seem to take so much time for Monolith to utilize his powers. So while your Monolith might bumrush us, we can still fight him and overpower him.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man, rules say no expereince or skill gained from copying, which means your blank slate Dupe Boys in this round are just that, blank slates. Dupe Boy Prime copied Multiple Man in the first round as well, I did read the thread. Characters that copy powers retain no knowledge of the powers or experience using them. In this round, they're all blank slates. You have have to train them in the 1 hour of prep.
nope it says they START off with a blank slate in the first round. Using powers AGAIN means they already have battle experience on it. just like MM the dupes share the same knowledge as the prime prior to the moment they "split"
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thing is that KK would first have to get to the gaints, and having sand covering you for the specific purpose of squezing you to death doesnt let you do that (and KK would not be expecting that, and its the one enemy he cannot beat). Sorry. My monoliths are still class 100 and durable as hell. And in the scans you provided it didnt seem to take so much time for Monolith to utilize his powers. So while your Monolith might bumrush us, we can still fight him and overpower him.
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B-Dub, first of all, KK can fly faster than Crystal can react.
Secondly, sand is a granulated and porous material. It's not solid. KK can simply fly out of it.
Thridly, your Dupe Boy Monoliths can be downed, KK knows Monolith's weak points, and he could just share that knowledge with the real Monolith who could take them out with blasts.
Fourthly, all I have to do is kill DB Prime and all his copies disappear, and given that they, like Multiple Man, all share pain receptors through a psionic link, any damage the Crystals or Monoliths take feeds back to DB Prime, and the rest of the collective, meaning a nerve strike to either of the Crystal clones or DB Prime effect the whole group.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
nope it says they START off with a blank slate in the first round. Using powers AGAIN means they already have battle experience on it. just like MM the dupes share the same knowledge as the prime prior to the moment they "split"
Yeah, but the clones your using in this round don't have any experience. They aren't the same clones that fought Long Pig. When you cam to this battle, it was 4 on 4. The clones didn't exist yet. DB Prime used Multiple Man's powers last round, I read the thread. You created an army of hundreds of Duplicate Boys and copied Radioactive Man, Crystal, and Powerhouse with the clones. the rules state that a character with copying powers does not copy experience, and after each round your team resets, as in any member that died in combat returns an this is a brand new battle. Your new clones only have the experience they gained in prep, and DB Prime has only used Multiple Man's powers this round.
Originally posted by illadelph12
😆B-Dub, first of all, KK can fly faster than Crystal can react.
Secondly, sand is a granulated and porous material. It's not solid. KK can simply fly out of it.
Thridly, your Dupe Boy Monoliths can be downed, KK knows Monolith's weak points, and he could just share that knowledge with the real Monolith who could take them out with blasts.
Fourthly, all I have to do is kill DB Prime and all his copies disappear, and given that they, like Multiple Man, all share pain receptors, any damage the Crystals or Monoliths take feads back to DB Prime, and the rest of teh collective, meaning a nerve strike to either of the Crystal clones or DB Prime effect the whole group.
My first attack was having sand being thrown at you.
With all that sand being thrown around, gravity pressing them all together and crystal pushing down on it, you really think he'd survive? ❌
Theres also the fact that the forcefield is up so attacking me you'd first have to break that, and in doing so you give me another chance of just pouring sand on you.
Your not gonna be attacking DB prime at all (while YOU [illadelpth] know who he is in relation and importance to the team, your team doesnt)
sharing knowledge is gonna be hard when a sandstorm is going your way, theres also the fact that any blasts the Monolith delivers can be intercepted by my powerhouses and redelivered even more powerfully.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Yeah, but the clones your using in this round don't have any experience. They aren't the same clones that fought Long Pig. When you cam to this battle, it was 4 on 4. The clones didn't exist yet. DB Prime used Multiple Man's powers last round, I read the thread. You created an army of hundreds of Duplicate Boys and copied Radioactive Man, Crystal, and Powerhouse with the clones. the rules state that a character with copying powers does not copy experience, and after each round your team resets, as in any member that died in combat returns an this is a brand new battle. Your new clones only have the experience they gained in prep, and DB Prime has only used Multiple Man's powers this round.
he has also used Crystals and Powerhouses powers in the last round with prep and a little in the fight.
While they may be new dupes that does not mean they dont have DBp's battle experience. the intent of that rule was so that someone (say mimic) couldnt copy captain britains powers and immediatly know how to use it. The extent to which your trying to make that rule apply doesnt stick
Originally posted by Blair Wind
My first attack was having sand being thrown at you.
With all that sand being thrown around, gravity pressing them all together and crystal pushing down on it, you really think he'd survive? ❌Theres also the fact that the forcefield is up so attacking me you'd first have to break that, and in doing so you give me another chance of just pouring sand on you.
Your not gonna be attacking DB prime at all (while YOU [illadelpth] know who he is in relation and importance to the team, your team doesnt)
sharing knowledge is gonna be hard when a sandstorm is going your way, theres also the fact that any blasts the Monolith delivers can be intercepted by my powerhouses and redelivered even more powerfully.
Dog, the sandstorm has to reach my position. Both KK and Monolith fly faster than you can generate the sandstorm and send it to my position. I could be on your side of the battlefield beating the crap out of you before the sand even reaches Gamora and Vertigo.
As a matter of fact, KK could carry Gamora with him and drop her off on your side of the battle field and let her kick ass too. And Monolith could speed rush on your position with Vertigo clasped and protected in the palm of his hand, and then let her use her disorientation effects on your whole team from close range. With everyone on your team dizzy, KK and Gamora go to work doing their Ninja thing and it's case closed.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
he has also used Crystals and Powerhouses powers in the last round with prep and a little in the fight.While they may be new dupes that does not mean they dont have DBp's battle experience. the intent of that rule was so that someone (say mimic) couldnt copy captain britains powers and immediatly know how to use it. The extent to which your trying to make that rule apply doesnt stick
It sticks perfectly. No character with copying powers gain experience or skill in use of powers. Your new Dupes still fall under that rule.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Dog, the sandstorm has to reach my position. Both KK and Monolith fly faster than you can generate the sandstorm and send it to my position. I could be on your side of the battlefield beating the crap out of you before the sand even reaches Gamora and Vertigo.As a matter of fact, KK could could carry Gamora with him and drop her off on your side of the battle field and let her kick ass too. And Monolith could spead ruch on your position with Vertigo clasped and protected in the palm of his hand, and thenm let her use her disorientation effects on your whole team from close range. With everyone on your team dizzy, KK and Gamora go to work doing their Ninja thing and it's case closed.
bro, I have a forcefield up and winds going everywhere. Even if that happened Gamora and Vertigo would still get pushed away through my sand winds (as would the effects of V's scream), Monolith would have to deal with two gaints, and KK would sooner or later get covered in sand.
Powerhouse can fly at mach speeds and hit with Zero G punches and fling Wendigos like darts at your teamates. My team has the defense to wait until KK gets covered and crushed. Once that happens its game over, Monolith gets trumped by my team plus my two gaints
Originally posted by illadelph12
It sticks perfectly. No character with copying powers gain experience or skill in use of powers. Your new Dupes still fall under that rule.
❌ it was that they did not gain immediate knowledge on the use of those powers. That was all that was brought up. Not on after using it, do they have the experience. Never came up and it does not directly tie in with the rule your stating
Originally posted by Blair Wind
bro, I have a forcefield up and winds going everywhere. Even if that happened Gamora and Vertigo would still get pushed away through my sand winds (as would the effects of V's scream), Monolith would have to deal with two gaints, and KK would sooner or later get covered in sand.Powerhouse can fly at mach speeds and hit with Zero G punches and fling Wendigos like darts at your teamates. My team has the defense to wait until KK gets covered and crushed. Once that happens its game over, Monolith gets trumped by my team plus my two gaints
They wouldn't get pushed away by your sand winds, KK and Monolith have independent locomotion and can fly faster than the speeds of your winds and faster than Crystal can react. Even from behind her forcefield, Crystal can still hear perfectly well. Once Vertigo and Monolith are in range, your whole team is dizzy and disoriented, and easy marks for KK and Gamora. Monolith just has to speed blitz with Vertigo at the onset and they're in position, and we can outmaneuver Crystal, she doesn't have super speed or super reflexes.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
❌ it was that they did not gain immediate knowledge on the use of those powers. That was all that was brought up. Not on after using it, do they have the experience. Never came up and it does not directly tie in with the rule your stating
Dog, they can't have any experience because they didn't exist.
Originally posted by illadelph12
They wouldn't get pushed away by your sand winds, KK and Monolith have independent locomotion and can fly faster than the speeds of your winds and faster than Crystal can react. Even from behind her forcefield, Crystal can still hear perfectly well. Once Vertigo and Monolith are in range, your whol eteam is dizzy and disoriented, and easy marks for KK and Gamora. Monolith just has to speed blitz with Vertigo at the onset and they're in position, and we can outmaneuver Crystal, she doesn't have super speed or super reflexes.
by tornado force winds? vertigo and gamora wont get pushed away? 😕 riiiiight. and vertigos scream goes through air right? If Im pushing all that air in YOUR direction the only people she's hurting is your own.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
by tornado force winds? vertigo and gamora wont get pushed away? 😕 riiiiight. and vertigos scream goes through air right? If Im pushing all that air in YOUR direction the only people she's hurting is your own.
Vertigo is in Monolith's hand, and KK is carrying Gamora. They can to your position easily, there momentum is greater than the force of the winds, there speed is greater than the speed of the winds and Crystal's reaction time, and I can always fly ABOVE the sandstorm, it's not omnidirectional or it would be f*cking up your own team.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Vertigo is in Monolith's hand, and KK is carrying Gamora. They can to your position easily, there momentum is greater than the force of the winds, there speed is greater than the speed of the winds and Crystal's reaction time, and I can always fly ABOVE the sandstorm, it's not omnidirectional or it would be f*cking up your own team.
and when did you get a time machine to change your first attack? your first attack was to have monolith and KK come at me with gamora and vertigo in the rear, mine was to have a sand storm. hmmmmm 🙄
winds can go really high, and my forcefield protects me from too much damage. The winds would reflect her scream so really your only attacking yourself. If their coming right at me and that was their original plan, they dont get a chance to just go above me. KK gets covered in sand, hes not gonna think anything of the sand while he's flying (i mean it cant affect him right?) thats when I crush him. Monolith gets taken back to preschool by Powerhouse and my gaints, and gamora and vertigo were blown away and buried by my sand
Originally posted by Blair Wind
But Prime DID. and they get HIS knowledge 😉
Prime spent an hour training with 2 different power sets, and then in battle, used Multiple Man's powers and created a clone army. He has no battle experience using the powers, no extended skill in using the powers, and at most has a base leve knowledge of the powers because he split time using them both and didn't use them during the fight.
Even with equal training on both power sets, DB Prime would have 30 minutes worth of prior training on Crystal and Powerhouse's powers, which was focused primarily on learning to create gravity wells to slow down Speedfreak and winds to blow away radioactive fallout from Radioactive Man. Then he switched to Multiple Man and didn't fight using the powers of Crystal and Powerhouse, his blank slate clones did. 👇