How the hell would he have done that, he lost his arms something thats for some reason needed when you push people he was in shock and probably in great pain, although the adreline in his body prevents that from showing. He probably couldn't think all to clear and he had a lightsaber on his neck, well two actually...
He couldn't do anything anymore...
Yes, but Lucas says "...the whole thing is setup by the emperor to test Anakin’s strength and when Anakin is strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku" (GL has bad grammar btw lol)
Why would Palpatine tell Dooku to lose the fight? Lucas clearly says that it was a test. If he tells Dooku to lose on purpose then its not really a test is it? We can see from ROTJ and ROTS that Palpatine likes to pit his two prospective apprentices against each other to see who is more powerful, and thus who is Worthy of being his apprentice. Palpatine telling Dooku to throw the fight makes no sense if the purpose of the fight was to see who is stronger. Which it is, because GL said it was. So it makes no sense to say "I want to see who is more powerful and more Worthy of being my apprentice...but Dooku, throw the fight and let Anakin win anyways."
The whole Dooku/ Anakin thing is meant to mirror when Vader and Luke are fighting in ROTJ. The difference is that Luke chooses not to kill his fallen opponent, Anakin did.
Well not necessarily to lose, just not to kill Anakin and try and turn him.
Of course Anakin won from Dooku by suprising Dooku and taking advantage of Dooku his elitist arrogant views... However in a straight up fight Anakin would have died by Dooku his hands, just look at the first part of the fight where Obi Wan is around and then at the fight where Obi Wan is gone, compare the two. Dooku goes from great pwnage to not really that good... And he talks more then he fights, if he tried his very best he would not have done anything like that and Anakin would have been dead.
Besides Sidious would never have risked losing Anakin, he spend 13 years trying to slowly talk in to the boy.
No, Dooku did not throw the fight. Sidious wanted the most powerful apprentice/Sith he could have. He wanted a fight to the death to see who was stronger. Whoever prevailed would be the next Sith. He wouldn't tell Dooku to throw the fight because he thought Dooku was stronger, If Dooku was stronger he wouldn't want Anakin as the apprentice. Sidious always wants the strongest.
Well not necessarily to lose, just not to kill Anakin and try and turn him.Of course Anakin won from Dooku by suprising Dooku and taking advantage of Dooku his elitist arrogant views... However in a straight up fight Anakin would have died by Dooku his hands, just look at the first part of the fight where Obi Wan is around and then at the fight where Obi Wan is gone, compare the two. Dooku goes from great pwnage to not really that good... And he talks more then he fights, if he tried his very best he would not have done anything like that and Anakin would have been dead.
Besides Sidious would never have risked losing Anakin, he spend 13 years trying to slowly talk in to the boy.
Speculation. I didn't see anything to say that Dooku went from "pwnage" to "not that good." What I saw was Anakin and Obi fighting Dooku, Dooku rapes Obi and Anakin gets pissed off and then killes Dooku. It can be taken 2 ways. 1) the way you suggest where Dooku stops trying (which makes no sense) or 2) Dooku doesn't get any worse, Anakin just uses Anger and gets better.
Nor does Dooku "talk more then he fights". He says like 4 lines over like 3 min of fighting.
I agree that Sidious would not have risked loosing Anakin, he ONLY would have told Dooku not to kill him had Anakin not been more powerful and lost the fight. But until then, it doesn't make sense to have a handicapped fight where Dooku isnt giving it his all. Again, Lucas said, the puropse was to see if Anakin was worthy of being Sidious apprentice. The only way to do it is to have a full out one on one.
If Anakin wins then Sidious is happy and tells him to Kill Dooku (which is what he wants)
And if Anakin was not yet strong enough then he simply tells Dooku to stop and give Anakin more time to get stronger and do it again later.
Originally posted by mace=badass
No, Dooku did not throw the fight. Sidious wanted the most powerful apprentice/Sith he could have. He wanted a fight to the death to see who was stronger. Whoever prevailed would be the next Sith. He wouldn't tell Dooku to throw the fight because he thought Dooku was stronger, If Dooku was stronger he wouldn't want Anakin as the apprentice. Sidious always wants the strongest.
Anakin had the potential, Sidious believed Anakin would become more powerful then anybody.. Anakin would have been his most important target for an apprentice, besides Dooku was getting old, older then Sidious he couldn't last forever.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Speculation. I didn't see anything to say that Dooku went from "pwnage" to "not that good." What I saw was Anakin and Obi fighting Dooku, Dooku rapes Obi and Anakin gets pissed off and then killes Dooku. Nor does Dooku "talk more then he fights". He says like 4 lines over like 3 min of fighting.I agree that Sidious would not have risked loosing Anakin, he ONLY would have told Dooku not to kill him had Anakin not been more powerful and lost the fight. But until then, it dosent make sense to have a handicapped fight where Dooku isnt giving it his all. Again, Lucas said, the puropse was to see if Anakin was worthy of being Sidious apprentice. The only way to do it is to have a full out one on one.
If Anakin wins then Sidious is happy and tells him to Kill Dooku (which is what he wants)
And if Anakin was not yet strong enough then he simply tells Dooku to stop and give Anakin more time to get stronger and do it again later.
And how do you think Palpatine would have told Dooku that? If Anakin was still alive?
And to become worthy of being a Sith had nothing to do with strength it had to do with accepting the Dark Side. Sidious wanted Anakin because of his potential, thats why he had been talking to him for 13 years now... 13 years... The end of the war was upon them, Sidious had to move fast... Besides in the original script Dooku thought Anakin was supposed to capture him and then he would be arrested and released again.
Also in LOE Palps tells Dooku not to hurt Anakin. Not to mention that Makashi excells in 1 on 1 combat. Dooku his style. He pwned Anakin and Obi Wan with the style, when he took out Obi Wan he cassually and easily kicked Anakin back against the wall knocking him out for a few seconds. There is no reason to believe he couldn't have done so in a 1 on 1 situation. If anything the situation would be far more in Dooku his favour.
Originally posted by Fishy
Anakin had the potential, Sidious believed Anakin would become more powerful then anybody.. Anakin would have been his most important target for an apprentice, besides Dooku was getting old, older then Sidious he couldn't last forever.
Sidious knew he would become the most powerful if using the darkside. He knew Anakin would have to tap into his darkside emotions, and use them to defeat Dooku, fair and square.
And how do you think Palpatine would have told Dooku that? If Anakin was still alive?And to become worthy of being a Sith had nothing to do with strength it had to do with accepting the Dark Side. Sidious wanted Anakin because of his potential, thats why he had been talking to him for 13 years now... 13 years... The end of the war was upon them, Sidious had to move fast... Besides in the original script Dooku thought Anakin was supposed to capture him and then he would be arrested and released again.
Also in LOE Palps tells Dooku not to hurt Anakin. Not to mention that Makashi excells in 1 on 1 combat. Dooku his style. He pwned Anakin and Obi Wan with the style, when he took out Obi Wan he cassually and easily kicked Anakin back against the wall knocking him out for a few seconds. There is no reason to believe he couldn't have done so in a 1 on 1 situation. If anything the situation would be far more in Dooku his favour.
Again, speculation. Why cant Anakin just have been better? All evidence in the movie (including GL comments) suggest that Anakin was just better. You are favouring Dooku, which is fine, but that doesn't make a lick of difference in face of what the creator of the story says.
Again, What I saw was Dooku doing well, kicking Anakin outta the way, and all that like you said. But then, not only did he hurt Anakins master/ friend, he mocked him. Then Anakin got mad, and kicked Dooku's ass. (Anakin was not made at the start of the fight)
What your seeing is that Dooku got rid of Obi-wan and then stopped trying. Why would he do that? Lucas again clearly states that the purpose of the fight was to see if Anakin was worthy of being Palpatine's apprentice. Palpatine telling Dooku to not try against Anakin doesn't prove anything to Palpatine does it? It makes no sense.
And again, GL not only can override his original script, he can override EU. So LOE really isn't worth anything if it contradicts what Lucas says happens.
AND being a Sith does have to do with accepting the darkside, sure of course. But to Palpatine not only does that matter, he also wants the guy who is gonna be the best suited. how does he do that? He pits his current apprentice against whoever he thinks might be worthy.
The real difference in this fight is that Palpatine already knows that Anakin will be his apprentice (or at least he wants Anakin to be). So this was not a test to see if Dooku was worthy, it was a test to see if Anakin was ready. And again, how does it prove that Anakin was ready if Anakin is fighting a Dooku who isn't trying? It doesn't.
But enough to do something like that?
And the more important question would actually be, has Vader weakened since ESB?
Guess what he had holocrons and time
He also had other people there
Anakin who has more potential then that guy didn't manage to grow as powerful as you claim Luke is in such a short time.
Well not even a Padawan the guy was still in the first stages of his training, he would have been WTFPwned by any Jedi and Sith and definitly by Vader unless you wish to argue that Vader was so weak that he couldn't even beat Zett.
So he let Han and Chewie go in... Does that sound like something a Jedi with skill would have done? Hell no they would have jumped in the middle of those two troopers and cut them down with one or two stirkes, the troopers wouldn't have had a chance, like Zett did in ROTS... But obviously Luke wasn't skilled enough to do that...
Anakin had a million emotions running through his mind and still managed to effectively fight Obi Wan.
It takes years to master a lightsaber style, years.
Obi Wan had been using Soresu for 13 years and hadn't mastered it until ROTS.
Last time I checked Boba was knocked out by Han not by Luke... Luke didn't pwn anybody.
And his skill at deflecting blaster shots means something about how well he can handle his lightsaber. How fast and efficient. It just shows that a Padawan could move his lightsaber faster and better then Luke.
Did Anakin got shot in the hand? No, Point moot.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes, when using the Dark Side, at least.Yoda: More powerful the Dark Side is not
[QUOTE]I would say he fought better in ESB than he did in ROTJ so he may have gotten weaker but not much.
Why would he have gotten weaker? Is it because there was now a Jedi that could possible threathen him and he didn't feel he needed to keep his strength up, is it because of age? Even though he wasn't all that old. Is it because of his injury's? Which didn't weaken him over the past 19 years except for after they first happened, so then why did he weaken? What could possibly have caused him to weaken except for his emotions.
[QUOTE]And he devoted the entire year between ESB and ROTJ to training.
Obviously not, as he had time to find Han think of a plan and do something to safe him.
That he was training, yes.
Your point being? Teachers can learn from there students.
True, but some people improve at a faster rate that others. Luke had terrific mentors and common sense. Anakin was a brat who hardly ever listene to his Master or, indeed, respected him (until after AOTC).
Anakin highly respected Obi Wan, of course he didn't agree with everything his masters said but Luke didn't do what they said either, just watch the end of ESB, he leaves againts Yoda his orders.
Vader would have pwnd little Zett. Luke is in no way inferior to a Padawan. Look at Whie. He's 13 in ROTS and far above avg. in strength and he only manages to block one of Vader's swings. Luke's far stronger than he is.
In no way inferior, except you already admitted he couldn't block blaster bolts as well as Zett and that he wasn't as fast as Zett... Thats two ways in which he is inferior.
If I remember correctly, Yoda, one of the greatest and strongest jedi Masters of all time, stood around and let the Wookiees and Clones go in and take out the droids of Kashyyyk.
If I remember that was a full scale war, Luke saw two scouts that had to be taken out so that they couldn't alert the rest of the troops. It wasn't a battle it wasn't a war, it was just two scouts that had to be taken care off. And instead of doing it himself (something that a Jedi would excell at) he let others do it. That was foolish. And no other Jedi would have done the same thing. Yoda if anything would have just moved there hand and knocked both of them out.
And when Luke had those same emotions running through him he beat Vader. And Vader (or Anakin) didn't have Padme run past him in a bikini while he was fighting Obi-Wan and if she did I'll bet that would have distracted both he and Obi-Wan.
No evidence for that at all, and we are debating Luke beating Vader. And when he knocked Vader back he had no emotions instaed of hatred...
Did I ever say Luke mastered anything?
You or somebody else did.
And how long did it take Mace to Master Vaapad?
Till the end of his life it was a new style, he was the best one in it, and there probably wouldn't ever be anybody better (at least not for a very long time) however a style is never finished, Mace could have found new things wrong with it and changed things.
Boba flies off the sailbarge and lands behind Luke. Sensing him, Luke turns around and chops Boba's gun in 1/2 before Boba can even fire off a shot. Boba then falls onto the floor of the Skiff. Had there not been 50 other goons for Luke to deal with he could have sliced Boba's head off right there. But instead he worries about the five or soo goons in the next skiff shooting at him so he jumps over there to take care of them. Boba got up and shoot at Luke but
missed.
I'll have to rewatched the movie, cause I don't recall it happening like that.
Since when did speed = good with a lightsaber?
Since Luke his wide attacks had no speed just strength, anybody with speed in his attacks could have taken him out when he was using those wide attacks where his lightsaber went from one side to the other.
Of course he didn't get shot, no kne was shooting at him! 😆
So like I said the point of Anakin having his hand above his head is moot, as he wasn't stupid enough to do it and get shot in the hand.
Yoda: More powerful the Dark Side is not
Why would he have gotten weaker?
Obviously not, as he had time to find Han think of a plan and do something to safe him.
Your point being? Teachers can learn from there students.
Anakin highly respected Obi Wan, of course he didn't agree with everything his masters said but Luke didn't do what they said either, just watch the end of ESB, he leaves againts Yoda his orders.
In no way inferior, except you already admitted he couldn't block blaster bolts as well as Zett and that he wasn't as fast as Zett... Thats two ways in which he is inferior.
If I remember that was a full scale war, Luke saw two scouts that had to be taken out so that they couldn't alert the rest of the troops.
I'll have to rewatched the movie, cause I don't recall it happening like that.
Since Luke his wide attacks
had no speed
So like I said the point of Anakin having his hand above his head is moot, as he wasn't stupid enough to do it and get shot in the hand.