Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hmm, a musical legend or an overly insecure KMC poster.Tough one.
-AC
That's pre-crisis Michael Jackson. I assumed PVS was using Post-Crisis Michael Jackson.
But anyway, if it is Michael Jackson from his glory days I'd pick him easily, he can sing, and sing well, and had social justice in some of his songs. Whob I don't believe can sing, and I doubt his songs would be about equality and such.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Most people and what they assume often turns out to be wrong.As would appear to be the case with MJ, barring any anal (though true) "Well we don't know what happened." crap.
-AC
Yes, but that is not the point, Michael Jackson is, that's not argueable, a synonym for pedophile stars. He wa found not guilty, and I think he also wasn't guilty, but it's about general perception not facts.
sexual orientation has little to do with peadophelia, anyway.
notice the convenient silence over my request for an explanation of
why just as many if not more underage girls are molested/raped.
the fact is that people like whob just want to justify their hate.
thats the only purpose for this thread. he feels an irrational hatred and
seeks to rationalise that through any means, whether it be quoting agenda-based websites and claiming them to be from objective experts, or just flatout lying. what a sad little man
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Yeah... they'll never succeed in a million years. And yes, it's usually straight guys who molest little boys. Go figure, but it's usually the case. It seems most gay guys like people their own age.
What's going on?
Homosexuality (male or female) has nothing to do with age. If you're attracted to the same sex, regardless of age, you're homosexual.
-AC
Re: Introducing..NAMBLA!!!
Originally posted by whobdamandog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man-Boy_Love_AssociationSeeing how there's been a great resurgence of people posting in the
"Homosexuality..Chosen or Genetic thread," I though it might be interesting to see what you guys thought about these guys.
And let's try to keep this thread clean, and not bash anyone.
"And let's try to keep this thread clean, and not bash anyone." 😱 Maybe that is something we should try on all the threads, especially whobdamandog.
NAMBLA is in no way comparable to homosexuality, unless you are suggesting that NAMBLA is comparable to heterosexuality. In that case, I would have to disagree.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's going on?Homosexuality (male or female) has nothing to do with age. If you're attracted to the same sex, regardless of age, you're homosexual.
-AC
not true AC. do more research. in most cases of child molestation, its not that the child is male/female that attracts them, but rather that they are children. sure they may prefer one over the other, but the attraction is not based in sexual orientation.
in other words, the only reason we only hear about priests molesting alterboys is because there are no altergirls.
Originally posted by PVS
not true AC. do more research. in most cases of child molestation, its not that the child is male/female that attracts them, but rather that they are children. sure they may prefer one over the other, but the attraction is not based in sexual orientation.in other words, the only reason we only hear about priests molesting alterboys is because there are no altergirls.
Funny thing that the things you say are both right.
Originally posted by PVS
not true AC. do more research. in most cases of child molestation, its not that the child is male/female that attracts them, but rather that they are children. sure they may prefer one over the other, but the attraction is not based in sexual orientation.in other words, the only reason we only hear about priests molesting alterboys is because there are no altergirls.
Oh, tsk, my ignorance. I obviously missed the meeting where the law was changed to one kind of sexual attraction per human. It's obviously not possible to have both a paedophilic and homosexual attraction (which is what a sexual attraction to the same sex is). To say that an attraction to young boys isn't homosexual just because paedophilia means they're attracted to kids, is silly. It's just an aspect of their attraction, it's not all of it. How do you explain paedophiles who only go after boys in this thing we call the wide world?
If Capt_Fantastic likes a man in uniform, sexually, does that not make him bi or homosexual? Or just uniformsexual? The uniform is just a part of his attraction, not all of it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, tsk, my ignorance. I obviously missed the meeting where the law was changed to one kind of sexual attraction per human. It's obviously not possible to have both a paedophilic and homosexual attraction (which is what a sexual attraction to the same sex is). To say that an attraction to young boys isn't homosexual just because paedophilia means they're attracted to kids, is silly. It's just an aspect of their attraction, it's not all of it. How do you explain paedophiles who only go after boys in this thing we call the wide world?If Capt_Fantastic likes a man in uniform, sexually, does that not make him bi or homosexual? Or just uniformsexual? The uniform is just a part of his attraction, not all of it.
-AC
right into angry defensive mode.
you spoke an untruth and i called you on it.
first off, i never implied that in ALL cases where a man molests a young boy, that man is not a homosexual. im sure there are some gay men who are also peadophiles.
what you got wrong is when you said that in ALL cases, they ARE homosexual.
that is entirely false. the attraction is toward youth, innocence, etc. all things that is a child. i would never use the term 'straight' to define any child
molestor, but rather i will say that many heterosexual men who are child molesters do not discriminate.
they are not trying to molest a boy or a girl. thats just circumstantial. they are turned on by CHILDREN.
Originally posted by PVS
right into angry defensive mode.
you spoke an untruth and i called you on it.
Who's in angry defensive mode? Looks like you right now.
Originally posted by PVS
first off, i never implied that in ALL cases where a man molests a young boy, that man is not a homosexual. im sure there are some gay men who are also peadophiles.
Good, go on...
Originally posted by PVS
what you got wrong is when you said that in ALL cases, they ARE homosexual.
Did I say that? Or did I say that in all cases where males are attracted to males, or females to females, it's homosexuality?
Originally posted by PVS
that is entirely false. the attraction is toward youth, innocence, etc. all things that is a child. i would never use the term 'straight' to define any child molestor
It's not about what you would or would never do, first off. Second, you're only following up a generalisation YOU THINK I made, with another false one. That's not all the attraction is, ALL THE TIME, in paedophiles.
If he's attracted to a boy, he's homosexual, deal? Good.
Originally posted by PVS
but rather i will say that many heterosexual men who are child molesters do not discriminate.
This isn't about what you are comfortable with believing or admitting though. It's about truth.
Originally posted by PVS
they are not trying to molest a boy or a girl. thats just circumstantial. they are turned on by CHILDREN.
Think about what you are saying. It's one thing to say they are turned on by children for the fact that they are children (which is of course totally true, and I agree), but to say that because of this there is no sexual orientation being specified is a bit stupid.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Did I say that? Or did I say that in all cases where males are attracted to males, or females to females, it's homosexuality?
if an adult male peadophile is attracted to a child who is a boy, thats not necessarily homosexual. the ACT is homosexual by technicality, but the motive/driving force is not necessarily an attraction to the same sex, but rather an attraction to children. thats the way it (mostly) is AC. a million of your rebuttals does not change years of psychological observation in their behaviors.
just for the sake of mentioning, i've read an odd fact that most peadophiles (at least in the states) have at least at some point in their lives been married.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Think about what you are saying. It's one thing to say they are turned on by children for the fact that they are children (which is of course totally true, and I agree), but to say that because of this there is no sexual orientation being specified is a bit stupid.-AC
not stupid at all. you accuse me of using my own dogma to justify my opinion, but yet you do just that.
the fact is that for most peadophiles, whether it be penis/vagina is superficial in their motives.
Yes Capt, because I hope you're not a paedophile. It doesn't change what I've said.
Originally posted by PVS
if an adult male peadophile is attracted to a child who is a boy, thats not necessarily homosexual. the ACT is homosexual by technicality, but the motive/driving force is not necessarily an attraction to the same sex, but rather an attraction to children. thats the way it (mostly) is AC. a million of your rebuttals does not change years of psychological observation in their behaviors.
You are assuming that the default is an attraction to children (now hear me out). Whilst that may appear to be the case, it's only the definition. The reason why it's listed as an "attraction to children" is because they can't generalise preference. The one thing connecting them is that it IS children.
There's a preference there a lot (not all) of the time because there are sexual acts involved. I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, I'm saying you're overlooking or at least rerouting the prominence of sexual attraction.
Originally posted by PVS
not stupid at all. you accuse me of using my own dogma to justify my opinion, but yet you do just that.the fact is that for most peadophiles, whether it be penis/vagina is superficial in their motives.
Remove the defensive cap.
Also, it's not a fact, because you then went on to make a generalisation that you cannot possibly prove to be a fact.
-AC