Waverider Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Cogito

Solid evidence as always

😂

Waverider.

Originally posted by Golgo13
😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Waverider can absorb and redirect big bang-equivalent energies. He can seemingly manipulate any type of energy-- even Entropy itself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited evidence in the post after.

Originally posted by Cogito

Originally posted by zopzop
This is what wins it for WR but PIS/CISless Surfer would still give him hell though.

Pretty much this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited evidence ala a tactic Surfer has used before.

Precisely.

Originally posted by Cogito
Precisely.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not saying that Surfer cannot possibly win, but I don't think he'd have too many options...

Waverider can absorb and redirect big bang-equivalent energies. He can seemingly manipulate any type of energy-- even Entropy itself. He can completely stop time. He can move FTL. He can travel in between nanoseconds. He can become intangible/incorporeal. He can rapidly reassemble IF he is atomically dispersed. He can see the most likely future of any character. He can summon an infinite army of himself from the timestream to fight an opponent. Etc.

Nice analysis. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well then tell me why it won't work.

I'm not going to get into whether it will or won't work (probably wouldn't, becuase Waverider would have no reason not to step out of time).

The point was that a tactic is not evidence. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand what evidence means.

Originally posted by Cogito
I'm not going to get into whether it will or won't work (probably wouldn't, becuase Waverider would have no reason not to step out of time).

The point was that a tactic is not evidence. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand what evidence means.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He sure seemed to struggle against Doomsday. This whole powerset style of debating mentality of yours isn't now he is portrayed in comics.

And you would know because you've read all of Waverider's appearances, right?

Originally posted by Cogito
And you would know because you've read all of Waverider's appearances, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have read enough. Go ahead and support your case.

Ok, you say Surfer hits him with his board. I say Waverider stops time and/or goes intangible. Your turn.

Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, you say Surfer hits him with his board. I say Waverider stops time and/or goes intangible. Your turn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is too busy being physically pummeled to do so here. Surfer beats him down. /thread

Thought so.

Originally posted by Cogito
Thought so.

Originally posted by Cogito
And you would know because you've read all of Waverider's appearances, right?

:/ come on.

If Waverider doesn't want to be touched, Surfer isn't touching him:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers36_zps3c222405.jpg
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers37_zps16b93782.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers78_zps72db8e97.jpg

Nor are Surfer's blasts:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers84_zps98d87b1b.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers50_zpsecdfeef9.jpg
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers51_zpsdd08dcc4.jpg

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Tack on the fact that Waverider can also freeze time:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers43_zps4521a46f.jpg

Manipulate vast amounts of energy, such as entropy and the temporal energy of Vanishing Point's defense systems:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers61_zps96d78893.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers46_zpse0900ebe.jpg

Operate on an nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers41_zps74610721.jpg
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers42_zpsf6ade930.jpg

Travel FTL:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers68_zps3b0de14d.jpg
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers69_zpsea191da1.jpg

Summon a limitless army of his future selves from the timestream:
http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/galan398/powers47_zps67c36de7.jpg

...And I don't see how Surfer is winning... With a board-strike.