Anakin and Luke Skywalker(ROTS&ROTJ) Vs Darth Malak

Not bad legend.

Some more quick SOTE Lukeness:

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=149

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=94 (Great respect for Jedis= possibly knowing capabilities, and still calling him fast)
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=103
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=113

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=062 (kicking a mf-er off his speeding speeder bike, while deflecting a blaster bolt behind his back... decent)

Ok im jut gonna give my opinion so dont get the wrong idea im gonna argue

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak is not so weak as you try to portray him. I understand that you don't like him but that does not means that you should undermine his abilities so easily.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It was due to "Game Mechanics" that you could easily defeat Malak on Leviathan in Saber Fight. In realistic SW fights - one hit from a Light Saber will kill any living being (no matter how powerful) and you get to hit Malak several times with your Light Saber which is not real.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

We actually don't know that how much impressive was Malak on Leviathan in Saber Dueling against Revan but he surely managed to defend himself in-order to survive against Revan's over-powering attacks, which was impressive.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And the way in which Malak blocked Carth's blaster fire in just 2 seconds was indeed a small hint of Malak's impressive Saber skills.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Malak clearly demonstrated on Leviathan that he could [b]Force Stun his opponents very easily and could get the advantage he needs to win in a fight. He even force-stunned Revan on Leviathan (as an example). So he can stun Anakin and Luke as well and then slice through them.[/B]

Ok but ill drop the case, but still i think ill agree he is powerful, but not even half of what sidious is because sidious in TPM is incredible and is far stronger by ROTJ

nobody was comparing him to Sidious, you were saying Vader is twice his power.

Well he isnt even half of sidious? Wouldnt that make vader twice as strong as he is? And from what vader demonstrated yes

Forgive my disliking of malak, i am angry that the kotor crew attempted to make malak look more evil and badass than vader, sadly they failed miserably to do so,
Stupid Darth-vader-wannabe

You don't know how close he is to Sidious, so don't speculate.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Actually, aside from the EVIDENT fact that ROTJ Luke can't fight anywhere on the same level as AOTC Anakin (And yet you argue otherwise using other types of pseudoscience and unrelated feats which don't correspond to saber mastery) I don't see where I have to prove AGAINST Luke when you're the one making the assertions that he can kick ass. He can't. Period.

And you are a damn Luke fanboy, because we've had this argument before and I argued you down to nothing and you had to agree to disagree because you can't really prove your case without... unrelated Feat Wars.

Janus, where have you been all my life? 😕

Originally posted by Janus Marius
That's funny; I seem to recall Obi-Wan bashing the crap out of Maul too. But you're missing the point; the battle was conflicted, and Luke showed -very- little saber or battle savviness. Period. This is evident.

Aside from the naturally ambiguous nature of GL's battles, I'll just chalk this up to you seeing what you want. Everyone else and his mother sees, as I plainly do, that Vader wasn't trying at all to defeat his son in ROTJ but was trying to bring out the hatred in him and turn him. Even his fall to one knee and barely being able to withstand the blows is totally out of character for someone who can lift men over a foot off the ground by one hand. Luke, meanwhile, shows his awesome display of battle prowess by swinging his saber back and forth. Him and Karate Kid part 3 should get together.

To turn his son. To obey the Emperor's wishes.

WTF? Is this another "Out of thin air" Glentract theory? Show me proof that he could have stopped Luke from falling with the force. Hell, prove to me why the Emperor didn't stop himself from falling with the force, cuz we all know he loves himself.

You could say that Vader was more or less toying with Luke that entire fight, since if you assume (As you are doing) that Vader didn't give a **** and wanted to kill his son, that fight would have lasted twenty seconds. Vader pretty easily dealt with Luke on the first saber pass.

And Han knows how to fight somehow. But that somehow isn't as a jedi knight with extensive and rigorous training. So your point falls apart. This isn't feat wars, Glentract. Give it up.

Nomi shows feats that are uber. ROTK Luke doesn't. Period.

LOl, where were you when Quinlan_Vos made his "Qui-Gon Jinn VS ESB Luke" Thread?
I basicly kept having to tell him Qui-Gon would rape Luke, but he was just like Glentract and refused to listen. 😆

Originally posted by tdtd
Glentract is right... Luke was had enormous power but he was too young and too untrained to realize.. Both the Emperor and Vader saw it and were scared of him. Just because the choreography of the 70's was total shit, doesn't mean Luke wasn't good with a saber.. In fact that's a terrible assumption to make, just based on the choreography. And I don't know if you recall but Obi Wan was gaining the upper hand on Maul when Maul used a force push on him and as we know, force powers are forbidden during lightsaber battles.

Where the hell does it say that Force powers are forbidden during lightsaber battles???

Mind pullin' your head from your rear? 🙄

Mind stop posting just to verbally blow people. And stop using smiles at the end of every, post it looks stupid.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Excuse me? Giving vader a hard time in the force and beating him in saber combat? Hell no.

Want proof that already as anakin, anakin > malak in every posible way and vader is pretty much above anakin in the force and still is formidable with the lightsaber.

Vader pretty much trumps over malaks force abilities, he choked people from incredible distances and just read Empire comics, The books pretty much make him and sidious look extremely powerful

Heres the quote to prove anakin > malak.

"Lord vader, you skills are unmatched by ANY sith before you, now go and bring peace to the empire"

And clearly he was referring to sabers and force powers, ROTS novel stated this when obi1 viewed the security hologram and in the vader vs malak thread, it was pretty much proven vader > malak.BTW what the hell makes malak so good? Right i remember NOTHING, Lightning ZOMG! You forgot vader has a lightsaber, FORCE DRAIN! omg you forgot that vader despite being a powerful sith lord wouldnt be taken down by a feat. What? thats all? That proves malak would even last against vader? Look at vader, 80% of ROTJ sidious whom is 15% stronger than ROTS sidious as FOC proved he got stronger, wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of ROTS sidious? Again vader has more skill, more experience and wider knowledge of the dark side than malak can ever do

Neither is there evidence to put revan on par with yoda, as a jedi maybe close but a sith lord? I dont think so

Yes, and in the same plot “Palpatine stood close by his shoulder, opposite to Obi-Wan, so close he needed only to whisper. "You have destroyed their political head. Take their military commander, and you will have practically won the war. Single-handed. Who else could do that, Anakin? Yoda? Mace Windu? They couldn't even capture Dooku. Who would have a chance against Grievous, if not Anakin Skywalker? The Jedi have never faced a crisis like the Clone Wars...”.

As you see the movies plot don't care about later siths, they only talk about probably and at max, from the last millenia. "The Jedi have never faced a crisis like the Clone Wars"? Right...

Also, STOP with your bullshit args about vader, Lucas said that anakin's POTENTIAL was reduced to 80% from palpatine when before his potential was TWICE palps' potential, he never stated raw power or something. And you have NO CLUE how stronger or weaker palpatina was before and after the Episode I, II, III or in dark times, so also stop with the 15% bullshit, you have no statements to much such arguments.

I don't remember Janus even posting in this thread. In fact I don't see any of that stuff in this thread.

He posted that in the very first page of the thread. A little high, are we, Sexy?

On life

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I love how you totally take that fight as a stand-alone accomplishment that equates the experience and training of others such as AOTC Anakin.

Luke Skywalker was barely trained as a jedi and had not refined his saber style whatsoever. The fight was conflicted, possibly thrown by Vader. And just because A beats B doesn't mean A beats all that B beat before and of all time. TPm Obi-Wan beat Maul once, but can he do it every single time? Can he defeat those that Maul defeated? NO!

Don't be ridiculously biased. Luke is cool, but he's not a good fighter, period.

So wait, are you operating on the "any given sunday" rule? Then I guess artoo has a shot at beating Sidious one of these days. Luke might not be a great fighter, but his defeat of Vader is very significant in terms of his natural abilities, so I don't know how you can ignore that.

Luke is an superb fighter. His defeat of Vader was not a fluke by any means.

I am Quinlan_Vos. Many frequent posters to the Star Wars Versus Thread read that thread. The basic point was that I totally murdered my opposition’s argument. You could not handle defeat and tried using Ad Hominem and psychology against me, which did not prevail.

Hey Sexiest, why don’t you try to formulate your own arguments for once. Pull your head out of Janus’s ass and prove Luke is weak.

I am going to be very harsh ok?

Kamhal, you are the biggest idiot in KMC after nebaris.Please PULL your head out of your ARSE

Now, i am going to hand you your ass young kamhal

Originally posted by kamhal

Also, STOP with your bullshit args about vader, Lucas said that anakin's POTENTIAL was reduced to 80% from palpatine when before his potential was TWICE palps' potential, he never stated raw power or something. And you have NO CLUE how stronger or weaker palpatina was before and after the Episode I, II, III or in dark times, so also stop with the 15% bullshit, you have no statements to much such arguments.

As Darth Vader, Anakin was believed to have had roughly
80% of the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries
on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful."

Dont believe me? read the rollingstones interview or star wars insider

Now, what the hell were you saying moron?
Did you even read the NEC where it DECLARED palpatine is the most powerful sith AS of ROTS? Shut the hell up kamhal

Originally posted by Kadesh
I am going to be very harsh ok?

Kamhal, you are the biggest idiot in KMC after nebaris.Please PULL your head out of your ARSE

Now, i am going to hand you your ass young kamhal

I have the quote to prove vader is 80% the power of palpatine from [B]Geroge lucas own words

As Darth Vader, Anakin was believed to have had roughly
80% of the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries
on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful."

Dont believe me? read the rollingstones interview or star wars insider

Now, what the hell were you saying moron?
Did you even read the NEC where it DECLARED palpatine is the most powerful sith AS of ROTS? Shut the hell up kamhal [/B]

flaming much but still I think Malak has this period 😱

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
flaming much but still I think Malak has this period 😱

Wrong! Kreia trained revan personally and knew what he was capable of, as palpatine personally trained anakin and knew what he was capable of, Oops! By the way, even in the malak vs vader thread, all arguements of malak winning vader were destroyed, maybe you should take a look, If vader can beat malak, why not anakin? Anakins saber skills are alot better than vaders by the way, and anakin will DESTROY malak.

Alot of people downplay anakin vader and rotj luke these days

By the way, i had to flame him because he is an idiot, he makes shit up and this is the 3rd time he annoyed the hell out of me making bullshit up