Originally posted by NoFate007From where this is going, it almost seems as though eventually Lionel and Lex are going to have it out (not in a fist fight lol) and Lionel will die trying to do something good, perhaps keeping Clark in the darkness, but Lex will take a giant leap to the evil side and kill his father, solidifying his future.
Anyway, good episode. Weakest part was the whole Martha subplot but the final line made up for it lol.
With the Opera music playing and Lionel looking at the laptop screen watching Clark heroically escape with Lana. I said "holy s***!" Then when he said "Your secret's with me.........Kal El." I held my mouth, just doubly shocked. Lionel Luthor is like the last person in the world that should know Clark's secret.
I knew from the beginning that Lionel was behind the mailed package. Showing up right afterwards.
I didn't get the surveillance tape thing at first. They kept playing it through out the show.. Martha was just playing it over and over and I'm like "wtf.. that's just Lana on the floor, why is she crying, Lana's safe." Then the end revealed it all. This was definitely a good show as well.
Lionel's gonna die soon. Lionel's gonna be the next cast member to go, i bet.
I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.
Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.
Pah.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
I somehow don't think that Cyborg could throw Superman/Clark Kent around like he did in that episode. He's just a Cyborg, like The Terminator. Superman can push a planet out of orbit and catch (cars, mountains, heh) and throw huge objects (tractors - you any idea how much they weigh?). A Cyborg would NOT be able to toss one of them in the air like that. Cyborg, like The Terminator would get crushed trying to catch somethin like that tractor, and at most, would be able to push or shove the tractor along the ground, slowly.Superman's powers are toned down (like they are in the video games - energy bar depletes when shot, urgh) for select scenes. If they're going to do cameo episodes, why don't they bring in some superhero that can actually match Superman in terms of strength? Then it wouldn't look so stupid when Clark gets thrown about. I don't know, bring in one of the X-Men. Juggernaut would be a decent match. By the way, Don't give me any crap about licensing and Superman being DC and not Marvel. I already know.
Pah.
You're right he wouldn't be able to throw around SUPERMAN like that. This is a teenage Clark Kent, not superman. Superman can move planets, and catch mountains. But as I said this is Teenage Clark, not superman. Clark only threw a tractor when his powers were fluctuating during the Sun Spots. He wouldn't have been able to do that yet with out the extra energy from the sunspots.
But why wouldn't Cyborg be able to throw around Clark like that? It's not like they were fighting, Clark wasn't even prepared for Victor to back hand him.
And the Terminators a robot/android, not a cyborg.
He wouldn't even be able to throw Smallville Clark Kent around like that. Smallville's Superman timeline progresses much quicker than in the comic books, and with the advent of John Kent dying, Clark's already way stronger than 'a cyborg'.
The sun made Clark's powers go off and on, in and out of control. It didn't enhance them in any way, just made him weaker and lose control of them, off and on. K.
"The Terminator" is a metal endo-skeleton beneath living tissue. So yes, it is a cyborg. If you recall when Clark scanned Cyborg, you'd see that beneath him lays 100% machine parts. He is exactly what The Terminator is (except with a human mind), living tissue over metal endo-skeleton. Use Google and type in "The Terminator is a Cyborg" and see just how many sites say the same thing. "The Terminator is a cyborg (cybernetic organism, cybernetic meaning self-steering)".
Brush up on your The Terminator franchise knowledge, re-watch a few of the earlier Smallville episodes and watch how Clark's strength conveniently varies in all scenes. He's portrayed as much stronger in a regular episode that doesn't involve a cameo appearance.
The Aqua-Man episode is an example of his powers being conveniently weaker to give Aqua a fighting chance. And he was very prepared for that silly water-wave thing. It took like 4 minutes for Aqua-Man to charge it. Clark just conveniently remains static in wait for a blast of energy. Cyborg might've caught him by suprise. But how do you explain the Aqua-Man cameo episode where Clark conveniently forgotten how to super-speed? Clark's superspeed could've easily had him react to being grabbed and forcibly moved long before Cyborg could've got him off his feet, never mind thrown against the wall.
Pah.
A cyborg is a human who has certain physiological processes aided or controlled by mechanical or electronic devices. The Terminator was a Robot with living tissue. Therefore making it an android. You can try to say the Terminator is a cyborg all you want, but when it comes down to it, he lacks the human element.
And what does John Kent's death have anything to do with Clark being stronger?
This is not the comics. Characters, ablities, lives are different in this universe. Perhaps Victor Stone in this universe is stronger then his comic counterpart? How do you know for sure that he's not?
And this is Clark Kent as a teenager. He is not a master of his powers as Superman is. He is not as knowledgeable or wise with them. It's him growing into his powers. Learning how to use them. That's the whole premise of the show. If you can't understand that, then why do you even watch it?
Cyborg is not strong enough to beat Clark up in a fight, by no means.
However, he wasn't fighting Clark. He simply tossed him. Now, there are a few factors here to take into account...
1. Clark isn't at his peak yet, obviously.
2. Clark goes along with a lot of things subconsciously in order to make it look like he isn't superhuman. So he could've just went along with the toss.
3. He tossed him, and he got immediately back up with not a scratch on him, and not any remote sign of struggle. Obviously, it didn't hurt him the slightest bit.
4. Plot called for something like that, so they did it. Us writers sometimes have to do stuff like that to get points across faster than simply explaining everything.
So although if they had a fight in the show and Cyborg actually was putting up any sort of a resistence, it would be stupid....they simply didn't go that far.
Originally posted by NoFate007
Cyborg is not strong enough to beat Clark up in a fight, by no means.However, he wasn't fighting Clark. He simply tossed him. Now, there are a few factors here to take into account...
1. Clark isn't at his peak yet, obviously.
2. Clark goes along with a lot of things subconsciously in order to make it look like he isn't superhuman. So he could've just went along with the toss.
3. He tossed him, and he got immediately back up with not a scratch on him, and not any remote sign of struggle. Obviously, it didn't hurt him the slightest bit.
4. Plot called for something like that, so they did it. Us writers sometimes have to do stuff like that to get points across faster than simply explaining everything.So although if they had a fight in the show and Cyborg actually was putting up any sort of a resistence, it would be stupid....they simply didn't go that far.
Exactly.
1. Yes, but Clark tossed a tractor in the air like it was nothin in one episode. Caught a car like it was nothin in another. He's obviously incredibly strong already. Way stronger than a cyborg.
2. So you're saying that Clark let Cyborg toss him (this is starting to sound gay), so if any passers by saw him flying through the air like Superman directly into a brick wall, they wouldn't have found anything out of the ordinary? Heh.
3. Yep
4. Yeah, which is what I'm saying, they'll tweak Clark's powers for scenes that call for it, and for Cameo scenes, he'll end up looking not much stronger than the Cameo hero. The point these cameo episodes get across is that Superman is weak. I'll tell you this; if they brought in Batman for a cameo, I'm sure he'd catch Clark by suprise too and knock him on his ass, because the "plot called for" it. Gee, I'm sure glad that episode is unlikely to ever happen.
Pah.
Oh Darth, I almost missed your post above the 4 magic pointer one.
Google doesn't lie when so many websites agree with me. Living tissue over machine parts is one definition of a 'cyborg': cybernetic organism. He doesn't have to have human traits from a human mind to be a cyborg. So long as there's some 'organic' part to him, he's a cyborg. K.
And what does John Kent's death have anything to do with Clark being stronger?
You miss the point I was making. I was using Johnny's death as an example of how rapidly the Smallville Superman timeline procedes when compared to the comic book version. I was using this example to better get across the fact that Clark's strength is already way stronger than you and your buddies on here like to think.
This is not the comics. Characters, ablities, lives are different in this universe. Perhaps Victor Stone in this universe is stronger then his comic counterpart? How do you know for sure that he's not?
Jeez, he's going up against Superman. It doesn't matter if Clark doesn't have his suit right now, he's f'in Superman! Good ole Victor isn't as strong as a kryptonian being when on Earth. K. FACT. But yes, Victor's obviously stronger in the Smallville universe than he is in the comic books, because he just tossed Clark like a rag-doll. Which is exactly the point your buddie NoFate brought up. I quote: "plot lines call for it". Translation: Cyborg is enhanced for the episode or Clark is weakened for the episode, is how it better comes across to the portion of the viewing audience who don't have their head in their ass.
And this is Clark Kent as a teenager. He is not a master of his powers as Superman is. He is not as knowledgeable or wise with them. It's him growing into his powers. Learning how to use them. That's the whole premise of the show. If you can't understand that, then why do you even watch it?
What a silly question. Why do I even watch it? Why do you debate on forums if you can't accept different viewpoints. Granted, my viewpoint is not cloudy like yours. But none the less, it's my viewpoint, and you should accept it as such. Accept that I've argued my viewpoint across much better than you have yours and thus the judge would've called his decision as agreement in my favour, had this been a court case. This'd Probably end up as a petty claims court case.
I've Already explained about Clark's strength, so I'm not going to go into anymore detail about that. But, you can't say that he doesn't know how to control his powers yet. How long did it take you to master the keyboard? Less than a year I should think. Clark's been at the game for years already. He's mastered his x-ray vision. He's mastered his super-speed (how many times have we seen him use both effortlessly?). If he wasn't wise with them, he wouldn't keep saving people in every episode.
By the way, going back to your stupid question. I can't believe how random it was, heh. Out of the blue, "if you can't understand the premise, why do you even bother watching it?". Heh. Just because I use this Smallville forum to bless you with some of my negative thoughts on the show, doesn't mean that I should immediately stop watching it. Who in their right mind is going to be 100% happy with everything that happens in Smallville? Should those who review the episodes and give "negative" and positive feedback stop watching it? Of course not, because it's our views that can help make the show a better one. And the fact I'm here giving feedback on it just shows that I enjoy the programme. K.
Anyway, your point about Clark not being as strong as his fully developed Superman-self doesn't successfully counter the ones I've raised. Since, the point I've raised was more about how Clark's powers are altered to fit the episode; and I quote your friend again, because the "plot calls for something like that". Being weak one episode and strong the next isn't explained by saying, "Oh well, Clark's underdeveloped and that's the whole premise of the show, if you don't like it, go away, wahh WAHHH".
Pah.
Originally posted by Whos_Pete
Oh Darth, I almost missed your post above the 4 magic pointer one.Google doesn't lie when so many websites agree with me. Living tissue over machine parts is one definition of a 'cyborg': cybernetic organism. He doesn't have to have human traits from a human mind to be a cyborg. So long as there's some 'organic' part to him, he's a cyborg. K.
You miss the point I was making. I was using Johnny's death as an example of how rapidly the Smallville Superman timeline procedes when compared to the comic book version. I was using this example to better get across the fact that Clark's strength is already way stronger than you and your buddies on here like to think.
Jeez, he's going up against Superman. It doesn't matter if Clark doesn't have his suit right now, he's f'in Superman! Good ole Victor isn't as strong as a kryptonian being when on Earth. K. FACT. But yes, Victor's obviously stronger in the Smallville universe than he is in the comic books, because he just tossed Clark like a rag-doll. Which is exactly the point your buddie NoFate brought up. I quote: "plot lines call for it". Translation: Cyborg is enhanced for the episode or Clark is weakened for the episode, is how it better comes across to the portion of the viewing audience who don't have their head in their ass.
What a silly question. Why do I even watch it? Why do you debate on forums if you can't accept different viewpoints. Granted, my viewpoint is not cloudy like yours. But none the less, it's my viewpoint, and you should accept it as such. Accept that I've argued my viewpoint across much better than you have yours and thus the judge would've called his decision as agreement in my favour, had this been a court case. This'd Probably end up as a petty claims court case.
I've Already explained about Clark's strength, so I'm not going to go into anymore detail about that. But, you can't say that he doesn't know how to control his powers yet. How long did it take you to master the keyboard? Less than a year I should think. Clark's been at the game for years already. He's mastered his x-ray vision. He's mastered his super-speed (how many times have we seen him use both effortlessly?). If he wasn't wise with them, he wouldn't keep saving people in every episode.
By the way, going back to your stupid question. I can't believe how random it was, heh. Out of the blue, "if you can't understand the premise, why do you even bother watching it?". Heh. Just because I use this Smallville forum to bless you with some of my negative thoughts on the show, doesn't mean that I should immediately stop watching it. Who in their right mind is going to be 100% happy with everything that happens in Smallville? Should those who review the episodes and give "negative" and positive feedback stop watching it? Of course not, because it's our views that can help make the show a better one. And the fact I'm here giving feedback on it just shows that I enjoy the programme. K.
Anyway, your point about Clark not being as strong as his fully developed Superman-self doesn't successfully counter the ones I've raised. Since, the point I've raised was more about how Clark's powers are altered to fit the episode; and I quote your friend again, because the "plot calls for something like that". Being weak one episode and strong the next isn't explained by saying, "Oh well, Clark's underdeveloped and that's the whole premise of the show, if you don't like it, go away, wahh WAHHH".
Pah.
Do you not understand the concept of Superman's powers? He gets them from the Sun. Therefore the longer hes under the sun, the stronger he is. So tell me, how a 18/19 year old Clark Kent, is going to be as strong as a 30 year old Superman. It's funny how much of a hypocrite you are, you say that its ok to have different view points but yet you think mine is cloudy.
And you think he's mastered all his powers? So that means he's shown hearing everything that goes on in the world like Superman does right. That means he can her an ant sneeze in China?