Superman Prime runs the Gauntlet

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So did Superman Prime actually use it in his few appearances? Was it apart of his standard equipment in the same mould as Caps shield or Thors uru mallet? 😕

On top of that how was the pictured sword referred to? Is it actually stated to be the very same sword as the one of old or is that merely suggested? A scan would help.

Don't have a scan taken from a post by Leo you can check against, I did because I thought the same as you.

from the annotations of the DC ONE MILLION 80-PAGE GIANT #1:

Items in the green display case left-to right: Blue Beetle's bug gadgets; a Starman Gravity Rod; Prometheus's helmet above a Parademon helmet; the now ubiquitous Professor Kirby's Dots; the Sword of Superman (refereed to in the text, from SUPERMAN (first series) ANNUAL #10); a Green Lantern power battery (possibly Alan Scott's); an unknown book (possible the Necronomicon); the Lord of Time's Anti-Hourglass (as mentioned by Superman M*); a small item between the Hourglass and the next item - just visible this is Professor Fortune's Badluck generator (see 69.1); and an unknown piece of technology.

on panel it is never stated that the sword is the sword of superman, but in the notes Morrison DOES refer to it as such.

Morrison also refers to it as such in a couple of interviews. Why Supes doesn't use it may be tied to the fact he struggled to put it down pre - crisis. Such power was not meant for men even Supermen - not yet 😉, he stated.

Glad I could help.

Thats still outrageously stupid. The reason he threw it away was because he wasn't ready for such power. After 15,000 years, still not ready ehh?? Plus, it contradicts Vertigo consistently. Lucifer is the chosen successor to the Presence. And we all know DCU and Vertigo share the same Crown beings

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thats still outrageously stupid. The reason he threw it away was because he wasn't ready for such power. After 15,000 years, still not ready ehh?? Plus, it contradicts Vertigo consistently. Lucifer is the chosen successor to the Presence. And we all know DCU and Vertigo share the same Crown beings

Verigo are probably less part of mainstream DC than 1 Million it's Canon he has it doesn't matter if we like it or not.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Don't have a scan taken from a post by Leo you can check against, I did because I thought the same as you.

from the annotations of the DC ONE MILLION 80-PAGE GIANT #1:

Items in the green display case left-to right: Blue Beetle's bug gadgets; a Starman Gravity Rod; Prometheus's helmet above a Parademon helmet; the now ubiquitous Professor Kirby's Dots; the Sword of Superman (refereed to in the text, from SUPERMAN (first series) ANNUAL #10); a Green Lantern power battery (possibly Alan Scott's); an unknown book (possible the Necronomicon); the Lord of Time's Anti-Hourglass (as mentioned by Superman M*); a small item between the Hourglass and the next item - just visible this is Professor Fortune's Badluck generator (see 69.1); and an unknown piece of technology.

on panel it is never stated that the sword is the sword of superman, but in the notes Morrison DOES refer to it as such.

Morrison also refers to it as such in a couple of interviews. Why Supes doesn't use it may be tied to the fact he struggled to put it down pre - crisis. Such power was not meant for men even Supermen - not yet 😉, he stated.

Glad I could help.

Im assuming the display case is full of Supes' belongings right?

So Superman Prime has never ever used the Sword of Superman himself? Thats all i needed hear.

Thank you much!! 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im assuming the display case is full of Supes' belongings right?

So Superman Prime has never ever used the Sword of Superman himself? Thats all i needed hear.

Thank you much!! 😉

Superman has because the events of Precrisis were merged during Crisis hence he has the sword. It's confusing for youngsters who weren't around at the time and read crisis in isolation witout the tie ins.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Superman has because the events of Precrisis were merged during Crisis hence he has the sword. It's confusing for youngsters who weren't around at the time and read crisis in isolation witout the tie ins.

I thought some histories and events were re-written? 😕 Not all the events were left intact after the merge.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I thought some histories and events were re-written? 😕 Not all the events were left intact after the merge.

Exactly but the fact he has it and its referenced means it's one of the ones that at least superficially still exist - capiche, thats how referencing in DCU works for Pre crisis. The fact it's referenced means at least some part of it i.e. the sword and Superman using it is still canon. Confusing but thats Pre and Post Crisis sadly.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Exactly but the fact he has it and its referenced means it's one of the ones that at least superficially still exist - capiche, thats how referencing in DCU works for Pre crisis. The fact it's referenced means at least some part of it i.e. the sword and Superman using it is still canon. Confusing but thats Pre and Post Crisis sadly.

Hmmm interesting. 😉

So what did he do with the sword when he used it back in the Pre C days and how did he get it in the first place?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Then that story is officially stupid!!! I saw the tpb at borders, but didn't notice it. If it was in the JLA 1Million hall of artifacts, then the whole premise of the book is glaringly stupid. Why didn't Superman 1Million wield it against Solaris?? For that matter, why didn't Prime use it to resurrect all the heroes killed by said villain over the years?? This is the book you people love to throw around?? A several issue blowjob to the Superman dynasty?? Now thats its been revealed to me that the sword was in their possession, that book is officially graded retarded. Period. The writers are idiots, and i could do better with a pen. No bs. Never mention that books name or characters again. The plot hole is that wide and stupid. Superman fans/fanboys.......Ya'll lost this time. True Story.

And for the record, all you who put Prime above nearly all other characters, look at his "feats" and then compare them to Precrisis Darkseid. Who still comes up higher?? Think on that one and see what you reveal. So, for the record Prime >>>> Not all

Wow, such anger in your post. Relax a bit.

Personally, I have a lot of the 1M series and I've NEVER seen the Sword of Superman in the book. Now there IS a sword from heaven shown quite clearly, but it belongs to Zauriel, not Superman, and like a GL ring it works on will and can cut through anything (even non-material beings.)

It's extremely powerful, but hardly a reality changer.

It came to pass that, in the course of a great battle for Truth and Justice, man and sword finally came together. For the first time the sword allowed itself to be grasped by the hand of a man. Holding it, Superman found himself expanding, spreading across the winds of the universe, the whole history of creation flooding his mind. His consciousness expanded, he was becoming an all-seeing, all knowing Protector. Then he let it go.

"You have done well, my son. You have earned your name. Your future is yours to make. Your greatness among living things is assured." This message was left in his head.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wow, such anger in your post. Relax a bit.

Personally, I have a lot of the 1M series and I've NEVER seen the Sword of Superman in the book. Now there IS a sword from heaven shown quite clearly, but it belongs to Zauriel, not Superman, and like a GL ring it works on will and can cut through anything (even non-material beings.)

It's extremely powerful, but hardly a reality changer.

It's clearly in the cabinet, I went and checked after Leos post.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It came to pass that, in the course of a great battle for Truth and Justice, man and sword finally came together. For the first time the sword allowed itself to be grasped by the hand of a man. Holding it, Superman found himself expanding, spreading across the winds of the universe, the whole history of creation flooding his mind. His consciousness expanded, he was becoming an all-seeing, all knowing Protector. Then he let it go.

"You have done well, my son. You have earned your name. Your future is yours to make. Your greatness among living things is assured." This message was left in his head.

It's clearly in the cabinet, I went and checked after Leos post.

Which page/book? If I can find it, I'll gladly provide a scan for it.
That should clear up a lot of this sword mess...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Which page/book? If I can find it, I'll gladly provide a scan for it.
That should clear up a lot of this sword mess...

I'll dig it back out again tmz and tell you.

I have the 1 million series so anyone needs scans from a book just give a ring to the main man himself......me. 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It came to pass that, in the course of a great battle for Truth and Justice, man and sword finally came together. For the first time the sword allowed itself to be grasped by the hand of a man. Holding it, Superman found himself expanding, spreading across the winds of the universe, the whole history of creation flooding his mind. His consciousness expanded, he was becoming an all-seeing, all knowing Protector. Then he let it go.

"You have done well, my son. You have earned your name. Your future is yours to make. Your greatness among living things is assured." This message was left in his head.

It's clearly in the cabinet, I went and checked after Leos post.

That was a nice quote 😉 Where did all this talk about shaping reality and being just as powerful as DC 's supreme being come from then? Is that unfounded?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That was a nice quote 😉 Where did all this talk about shaping reality and being just as powerful as DC 's supreme being come from then? Is that unfounded?

Nope he felt himself becoming the supreme being being able to control everything. He then throws it away to retrieve it later, which he obviously does as it's in the cabinet. He is told by the voice of the prescence the wielder becomes the supreme being. He doesn't want that at this stage. With it he beats all.

good guantlet

Originally posted by x_danny_x
Superman Prime will go through all and kills Captain American, takes his suit and rearrange it to his since it has all the same colors.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nope he felt himself becoming the supreme being being able to control everything. He then throws it away to retrieve it later, which he obviously does as it's in the cabinet. He is told by the voice of the prescence the wielder becomes the supreme being. He doesn't want that at this stage. With it he beats all.

Before i get hold of that issue in minutes lets just clarify. No speculation or extrapolation is it actually stated that he either became or levelled with the supreme being when wielding the sword or just that his senses expanded and he could control everything?

Is it stated that the voice belongs to DC's supreme being or is that an assumption?

it depends on how powerful you feel solaris was. we can infer from what he'd done that he was . . . pretty damn powerful, killing hundreds of supermen with imp-esque abilities. supes 1000000 was able to PUNCH (while weakened) through time! and he was less than nothing to solaris. i happen to believe solaris was MASSIVELY powerful, so the fact that prime crushed him effortlessly speaks to me of prime's VERY high level of power.

but . . . any true gauge of his power is hypothetical. funny enough, so is full power galactus! one hypothetical power v another. could prime destroy the universe? i don't know, but probably not. however he DID have many powers we were never privvy to so one could speculate that it's possible.

if he had the sword he would easily wipe out this gaunlet. oh, and btw, i'm almost positive that morrison put the sword in the case for no other reason than to piss off the geeks in these forums!

😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Before i get hold of that issue in minutes lets just clarify. No speculation or extrapolation is it actually stated that he either became or levelled with the supreme being when wielding the sword or just that his senses expanded and he could control everything?

Is it stated that the voice belongs to DC's supreme being or is that an assumption?

i got the issue, but feel free to dig it up. i can't recall the exact words that were uttered. haven't looked at it in a long while . . .