Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Double standards ❌ I said its about as poor as most of your arguments.
You stated it was the Presences voice and said that Superman became on a level with God. It being stated that Supes became one with everything was good enough for you to come to that conclusion. It wasnt until Leonidas pointed out exactly what was stated and my subsequent highlighting of your extrapolation that you backtracked and said basically oh i can say that because its as good an argument as your past Phoenix ones were. ❌
Double standards ✅
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You stated it was the Presences voice and said that Superman became on a level with God. It being stated that Supes became one with everything was good enough for you to come to that conclusion. It wasnt until Leonidas pointed out exactly what was stated and my subsequent highlighting of your extrapolation that you backtracked and said basically oh i can say that because its as good an argument as your past Phoenix ones were. ❌Double standards ✅
I guess you had to read it in 1984 the time it was written 😉 We didn't analyse Gods voice then. 🙂
However you weren't born so the point is moot.
and yes its about as good as your spurious Phoenix argumenst where no on panel evidence is provided 😉
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I guess you had to read it in 1984 the time it was written 😉 We didn't analyse Gods voice then. 🙂However you weren't born so the point is moot.
and yes its about as good as your spurious Phoenix argumenst where no on panel evidence is provided 😉
Regardless, it was extrapolation, the God connection was a conclusion you were quite happy to go along with based merely on Supes being one with everything. Hmmm that line sounds awfully familiar 😉
The comic said Supes was spoken to by an unseen voice and he felt himself becoming one with everything thats the sum total of your evidence for a god connection. Better than my Phoenix argument? ❌
Lets forget all of that anyway, in both cases its not canon. However this was a very interesting exercise. Thank you Whirly 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Regardless, it was extrapolation, the God connection was a conclusion you were quite happy to go along with based merely on Supes being one with everything. Hmmm that line sounds awfully familiar 😉The comic said Supes was spoken to by an unseen voice and he felt himself becoming one with everything thats the sum total of your evidence for a god connection. Better than my Phoenix argument? ❌
Lets forget all of that anyway, in both cases its not canon. However this was a very interesting exercise. Thank you Whirly 🙂
It also states he threw it away because he did not wish to become all powerful 🙂
You're right extemely interesting 😉
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It also states he threw it away because he did not wish to become all powerful 🙂
A relative term in comics, just like omnipotent, invulnerable and unlimited. Inconclusive. 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You're right extemely intersting 😉
✅ agreed. Pat yourself on the back mate. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A relative term in comics, just like omnipotent, invulnerable and unlimited. Inconclusive. 🙂✅ agreed. Pat yourself on the back mate. 🙂
Yes but in 1984 All powerful meant all powerful more literally, remember this was pre crisis when Supes was already "all powerful".
🙂
Yes we have shown the sword really was pretty special. 🙂
well, i'm glad this whole jla thing has brought us together so nicely . . .
🙄
as usualy though, you are both right. in the 80's the sword probably WAS meant to show exactly what whirly is saying, and if it were brought back, it probably would be awesome!
and gs is right - there is nothing explicitly stating . . . anything really, other than supes was in the process of becoming one with the universe. genesis, 'let there be light', 'my son,' all ARE obvious allusions to god, without ever invoking his/its name. it does remind me a bit of old school gs (with whirly -- and i KNOW the irony is not lost on him!! -- playing the part of gs!), extrapolating based on allusions and circumstantial evidence.
asking for on-panel evidence however is a good way to end many debates . . .
and gs, WERE you born in 1984??? please tell me you were at LEAST born!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes but in 1984 All powerful meant all powerful more literally, remember this was pre crisis when Supes was already "all powerful".
Opinion. Your perspective. Inconclusive.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes we have shown the sword really was pretty special. 🙂
✅ Indeed.
Reality warper? ❌ God leveler? ❌
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
by holding it everyone on Earth believed Superman again, did I forget to mention that 🙂
So thats warping reality is it? 😕 How youre describing things sounds more like an alteration of perceptions, telepathy. 🙂
Regardless, post some scans and highlight how your interpretation is correct. Surely you cant expect me to take your word for it? 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So thats warping reality is it? 😕 How youre describing things sounds more like an alteration of perceptions, telepathy. 🙂Regardless, post some scans and highlight how your interpretation is correct. Surely you cant expect me to take your word for it? 😉
I don't really care if you take my word for it, it was fact before you were born 🙂
Thats enough for us oldies who know comics. 🙂
Perceptions are how we view reality 😂 you are sooooo...... young. E = for Ecstasy 😂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I don't really care if you take my word for it, it was fact before you were born 🙂Thats enough for us oldies who know comics. 🙂
More opinion, yet no evidence. Irrelevant.
Its cool. It was an interesting exercise regardless. Im just glad Leonidas was here to set the record straight. 🙂 That guy really knows his comics. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
More opinion, yet no evidence. Irrelevant.Its cool. It was an interesting exercise regardless. Im just glad Leonidas was here to set the record straight. 🙂 That guy really knows his comics. 🙂
Yes he agreed with me 🙂 It is funny though you need to read the comic some time 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
well, i'm glad this whole jla thing has brought us together so nicely . . .🙄
as usualy though, you are both right. in the 80's the sword probably WAS meant to show exactly what whirly is saying, and if it were brought back, it probably would be awesome!
and gs is right - there is nothing explicitly stating . . . anything really, other than supes was in the process of becoming one with the universe. genesis, 'let there be light', 'my son,' all ARE obvious allusions to god, without ever invoking his/its name. it does remind me a bit of old school gs (with whirly -- and i KNOW the irony is not lost on him!! -- playing the part of gs!), extrapolating based on allusions and circumstantial evidence.
asking for on-panel evidence however is a good way to end many debates . . .
and gs, WERE you born in 1984??? please tell me you were at LEAST born!!!!!!!!!
Nope he wasn't born then 😉
he's just a kid 😂
Originally posted by Sir WhirlysplatPerceptions are how we view reality 😂 you are sooooo...... young. E = for Ecstasy 😂
Altering how people feel about Supes is not reality warping. ❌
Not in the conventional sense not in the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards mould people in the past claimed for the sword. 🙂
By your logic Purple Man is a reality warper 🙂
No matter. Still an interesting exercise. Thank heavens for good ole Leo. 😄
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Time to have some funny with someones level of intellect.A question for GS - pleas answer it, What do you think reality is?
So purple mans a reality warper in the same sense that was claimed for the sword? Theres a difference between changing how we can perceive things and changing whats actually there to be perceived. 🙂