Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 2, Fight 3- roughrider vs. stormfront13

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I'm asking you both questions about claims you're making in this battle so I can make a judgement on the outcome. How does that equate to doing roughrider's job?

I've asked him questions as well. I've simply asked you more questions because you've made far more claims.

You say Phantazia can reverse the effects of Horus's paralysis stare, I asked if you had any evidence of Phantazia reversing magic. If you provided such evidence, that would mean Roughrider's at an even greater disadvantage than he already is because that attack would be unavailable to him. If not, it's an unsubstantiated claim by you.

You've claimed Phantazia is not a mutant, so I asked if you have proof, and whether her powers were wholey genetic. If they are not, roughrider's claims of using the genetic lock attack will not work, and I will not take that into account when judging the capabilities of roughrider's proposed attack against your team.

I've provided no information on any characters involved on either side and shown no bias. I posted one misphrased sentence based on mixing this thread up with Scoobs battle and Dizzle made a comment, that's all. If you look through this thread, I've simply asked questions about claims made in this battle by both parties.

Subliminally inferred hypocricy is lost on me, I can read between lines, and there isn't a parallel to what was discussed earlier in this thread. I'm simply asking questions, not answering questions and providing links and scans to help either side whether intentionally or unintentionally.

Anyone can ask questions, does that mean the answer will be accurate? I feel you need people to validate certain claims or anyone can make any comment they want.

Also I provided information on two people not in this battle, so moot point

Edit: If you want a completly impartial thread, then it should be the two combants asking the questions. Since your questions could be helping one member and disregarding another.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Anyone can ask questions, does that mean the answer will be accurate? I feel you need people to validate certain claims or anyone can make any comment they want.

This is exactly my point.

I'm asking questions so that the combatants can prove their claims. As an observer who has the capacity to vote on the outcome of the battle, I need the participants to substantiate claims made, so I ask. If they can provide proof of their claims, when I take all arguments into account, it will carry more weight because it is a proven possibility and not simply an unsubstantiated claim.

It's like a judge asking a lawyer to provide solid proof of a claim made in court in cross examination. Sure, the lawyer could say the defendent is guilty of murder and capable of doing so, but they have to prove motive, intent, and capacity. Anything short is circumstantial.

I work in the legal field (well, tax law and real estate), so that's why I'm so critical. It's not any sort of malevolence directed at you Mungi.

illadalph, my comment about doing roughriders job was directed completley to the comment you made about iron-man. you only just stated that you got the threads confused, so naturally i am to assume you are talking about ult iron-man, in which case it would have been an interference, and it is roughriders job to prove he is immune, which he hasn't yet. i thought you were refering to ultimate iron-man, so that was why i said that. i apologize for the confusion.

Originally posted by illadelph12
[BYou say Phantazia can reverse the effects of Horus's paralysis stare, I asked if you had any evidence of Phantazia reversing magic. If you provided such evidence, that would mean Roughrider's at an even greater disadvantage than he already is because that attack would be unavailable to him. If not, it's an unsubstantiated claim by you.

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her control over bio-electricity lets her partly affect a persons body, like her being able to disrupt powers, and paralyze people. this range of control also generates to un-paralyzing a person, and giving someone their powers back if they have been taken away. i don't have access to the comics she was in(she was only in like 12), so i can't prove with scans or issue numbers sadly, though i know for a fact that she can do this.

Hmm...

Do you know anyone here that could PM scans to you?

If people told me issue numbers I can get some of the scans.

phantazia just seems . . . really tough in this thing. i'd love to see some of this stuff substantiated as well. i'd also REALLY love for one other person aside from sf to acknowledge that ult IM really was put down by a lightning strike.

sorry if i missed this explanation already, but if the GL does work, how does phant 'fix' everyone again . . .? that attacks SEEMS to be a good one, and it seems it can work on non-mutants as well, so . . . important for me to understand how phant can make things better if he DOES get to use it.

GAAAAAA...

somebody sway me! i have to vote tonight so wear you leave this tonight totally counts for me. (sorry about that by the way, they called me in to work like all day tomarow so i won't be around till after the polls close)

Originally posted by leonidas
phantazia just seems . . . really tough in this thing. i'd love to see some of this stuff substantiated as well.

I'm sorry, I'm just not living where all my old comics are so i can't prove with scans or issue numbers. I'm hoping someone else has read all phantasy's appearances, i mean there was only like 12.

sorry if i missed this explanation already, but if the GL does work, how does phant 'fix' everyone again . . .? that attacks SEEMS to be a good one, and it seems it can work on non-mutants as well, so . . . important for me to understand how phant can make things better if he DOES get to use it.

it stems from her ability to affect a persons powers/body. just like when she disrupts them, she goes to the same place to give them their powers back. she did it to sauron to help him stay in his reptilian form.

i'd also REALLY love for one other person aside from sf to acknowledge that ult IM really was put down by a lightning strike.

well i know it happened, and he wasn't put down, his suit just didn't function at all very well. but i can't provide anything and apparently no one else can as well, but it still doesn't prove he is immune to these attacks.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
GAAAAAA...

somebody sway me! i have to vote tonight so wear you leave this tonight totally counts for me. (sorry about that by the way, they called me in to work like all day tomarow so i won't be around till after the polls close)

well.....

1)my team has the strongest person strength-wise

2)my team has the fastest character speed-wise

3)my team has the faster reaction time

4)my team has one of the most powerful characters in the whole tourney

5)iron-man is useless because he will be shut down immediately

6)rider has the weakest person out of both teams

7)my team is full of leaders which means good teamwork and plans

8)my team has overall more experience

well...

at this point i vote for stormfront. I wish i had had more time for review and stuff though. PM me for extra reasoning and i will get back as soon as possible

thanks for the vote outarddwarf

I never claimed the genetic lock shot worked just on mutants. It's just too bad you don't have a whole team of Vindicator's - you'd be immune from it.
But not from the neural disruptors - see, I'm working them now, making you and your computer sick 😘 😈
(Iwillvoteforroughrider, Iwillvoteforroughrider... 😄 )

It's been a travel day, so I have to leave and chase women now. See ya tomorrow.

So far the only outside comments I've had a problem with is Ill's one about IM being resistant to EMP, because quite frankly it hasn't been proven yet. I really have no idea why people attacked Mungi in either of sf's fights, he's been fine so far, he just knows a lot more about SF's characters. He hasn't done anything to specifically help SF though, most of his posts have been clarification stuff. Outside questions are fine, but keep them pretty specific. Calling BS into question is fine, clarifying stuff is fine. Helping with strategies and counters is not, helping someone prove claims is not.

Originally posted by roughrider
I never claimed the genetic lock shot worked just on mutants. It's just too bad you don't have a whole team of Vindicator's - you'd be immune from it.
But not from the neural disruptors - see, I'm working them now, making you and your computer sick 😘 😈
(Iwillvoteforroughrider, Iwillvoteforroughrider... 😄 )

It's been a travel day, so I have to leave and chase women now. See ya tomorrow.

your the one who said that it worked on a MUTANTS powers, and only ever talked about it working on mutants. it doesn't matter though because this is the reason why both the neural scramblers and genetic locks won't work

genetic locks:

1)phantazia is immune to having her powers taken away, and can bring back mimics and auroras

2)all my characters have force-fields

3)iron-man is immediately shut down

neural scramblers:

1)phantazia can reverse the process on herself at least, and more than likely everyone else with her control over bio-electricity

2)all my characters have force-fields

3)iron-man is shut down immediately

^^see, there are just too many factors to consider for any of that to work.

Originally posted by stormfront13

1)phantazia is immune to having her powers taken away, and can bring back mimics and auroras

How has that been conclusively proven? I mean are you saying anyone who Scarlet Witch did not take their powers from is totally immune to having their powers "blocked"? Is that what your basing it on?

Right now my vote goes to SF

I feel that Roughrider has a good idea and has people to pull it off but you haven't countered some of SF's arguements and these are the ones I feel to be key.
Although I have my doubts about SF ebing able to effect Iron Man you haven't given me anyother reason to deny it that hurt you.

Originally posted by newjak86
Right now my vote goes to SF

I feel that Roughrider has a good idea and has people to pull it off but you haven't countered some of SF's arguements and these are the ones I feel to be key.
Although I have my doubts about SF ebing able to effect Iron Man you haven't given me anyother reason to deny it that hurt you.

I'm thinking along the same lines, but in all honesty, neither side has really supported their claims with solid evidence, which is why I've been asking questions and I'm torn.

Phantazia may very well be able to shut Ironman down, but IM could also fire off his "genetic lock" attack, and there is no evidence that Phantazia is actually immune to it, so then it would come down to who attacks first and who is more accurate, and I really don't want to go down that road.

The same goes with Phantazia's powers versus Horus's "paralysis stare" attack. The stare is a supernatural effect, and no evidence has been provided showing that Phantazia can effect or reverse magic, but Stormfront claims Phantazia can reverse the effects.

Both of these points are very decisive to the outcome, and no evidence one way or the other has been provided so that I can make a clear choice.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm thinking along the same lines, but in all honesty, neither side has really supported their claims with solid evidence, which is why I've been asking questions and I'm torn.

Phantazia may very well be able to shut Ironman down, but IM could also fire off his "genetic lock" attack, and there is no evidence that Phantazia is actually immune to it, so then it would come down to who attacks first and who is more accurate, and I really don't want to go down that road.

The same goes with Phantazia's powers versus Horus's "paralysis stare" attack. The stare is a supernatural effect, and no evidence has been provided showing that Phantazia can effect or reverse magic, but Stormfront claims Phantazia can reverse the effects.

Both of these points are very decisive to the outcome, and no evidence one way or the other has been provided so that I can make a clear choice.