Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 2, Fight 3- roughrider vs. stormfront13

Originally posted by Dizzle
PIS is when something happens that shouldn't. Someone "forgets" they have an ability, someone's abilities get dumbed down to fight a weaker opponent, someone's abilities get blown out of proportion to beat a stronger opponent, etc. It usually involves going outside of a character's personality or intelligence and power ranges.

CIS means that someone loses because of an IN character restriction, like Superman's code against killing, or Absorbing Man trading brains with his ball and chain. If someone drafted an uber pacifist, it would be ok to argue that they wouldn't touch your teammates, and if someone is too stupid to understand attack strategies, a complex plan can be all but disregarded. CIS is in character, PIS is not. If you try to use PIS and someone calls you on it, the forum rules still apply. (PIS is to be disregarded)

So PIS won't get you penalized, but it makes you look bad, and the feats aren't any more valid here than they are anywhere else.

oh, wow...i completely had the wrong perception of what they both meant...sorry

So Scorpion losing to Batman in two hits is PIS then?

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anyway...rider, your whole strategy is based on whether or not your genetic locks work, in which case they have no chance of. here are the reasons why they won't work

1) all my characters have force-fields, and aurora is fast enough to react and dodge one.

2)iron-man is shut down immediately

3)phantazia can reverse the affects of your genetic lock, she has always been immune to those types of attacks, and most recently she was unaffected by Wanda(scarlet witch), she is 1 of the 198 that still has her powers.

if it somehow magically did work, vindicator has the experience to hold your team off for a few moments until my team gets their powers back. block my team by a wall of rock, open geysers all over the battlefield, use her sonics, which by the way she does have in this suit, and i can post scans of how powerful her sonics are.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So Scorpion losing to Batman in two hits is PIS then?

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i always thought a character that lost to a character that was waaaaaay above them was called cis..though I'm probably wrong, i went through months not knowing what they went but was always too embarrassed to ask.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i always thought a character that lost to a character that was waaaaaay above them was called cis..though I'm probably wrong, i went through months not knowing what they went but was always too embarrassed to ask.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

Scroll down to Tron's post... he explains it all there

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You have some proof of Phantazia being able to reverse a genetic lock shot?
She has a very limited, vague bio. I would like to see some feats.

The GL shot is just a temporary effect, to leave characters vunerable. It's your problem that your team is filled with mutants; vunerable to this sort of thing.
And your strategy is highly concentrated on Ult. IM going down very quickly. You seem very convinced a bolt of electricity is all it takes. He has force-fields too, you know.

I haven't even talked about what he can do with his energy-containment bubble...but I will. Soon. 😉

Originally posted by roughrider
You have some proof of Phantazia being able to reverse a genetic lock shot? She has a very limited, vague bio. I would like to see some feats.

not that i could just whip up, but you also don't have any feats for thiafli.

The GL shot is just a temporary effect, to leave characters vunerable. It's your problem that your team is filled with mutants

i'm aware of what a GL shot is...but that doesn't mean t will affect my teammates.

And your strategy is highly concentrated on Ult. IM going down very quickly. You seem very convinced a bolt of electricity is all it takes. He has force-fields too, you know.

he will go down quickly, you can't prove he won't. also, it's not a bolt or anything, iron-man can have a force-field up..the outcome will still be the same. phantazia doesn't need to touch, or send a bolt of energy at electronic devices to shut them down.

I haven't even talked about what he can do with his energy-containment bubble...but I will. Soon.

which won't do any good when his suit is shut down, you haven't proven it won't be

Originally posted by Scoobless
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

Scroll down to Tron's post... he explains it all there

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man do i feel stupid...thanks for showing me 🙂

rider, it's in phantazia's powers to be immune to those types of attacks, and whenever she has gotten them dampened or taken away she has always still had them and attacks like that just always prove useless on her. i don't have access to the issues she was in so i couldn't provide scans or anything, but i know for a fact she is immune to those types of attacks. even now, she still has her powers when characters more popular than her are losing theirs.

What are the criteria for people keeping their power though? I'm just saying, I really don't see Phantazia keeping her powers if Scarlet Witch really didn't want her to have powers...

sf, if phantazia is emitting a field large enough to wipe out IM from a 1/4 away, wouldn't vindicator also be enveloped in this field? or do you have some proof that she can focus her power and not affect those around her?

I can prove by bio how fast Thialfi can go - you can't prove what distance Phantazia can operate at.

Originally posted by Dizzle
What are the criteria for people keeping their power though? I'm just saying, I really don't see Phantazia keeping her powers if Scarlet Witch really didn't want her to have powers...

um...i don't know...all i know is that the reason phantazia still has her powers is because she is immune to those types of attacks. it was written in the letter pages during HOM.

sf, if phantazia is emitting a field large enough to wipe out IM from a 1/4 away, wouldn't vindicator also be enveloped in this field? or do you have some proof that she can focus her power and not affect those around her?

well she is just basically manipulating the em fields around tony to shut down the suit, and she has shut down machinery with pyro in the room, and she has been able to shut down pyro ion the past, so yeah vindicator wouldn't be affected. oh wait...i completely forgot vindicator is immune to those types of attacks, because Madison Jeffery's programmed her suit that way.

Originally posted by roughrider
I can prove by bio how fast Thialfi can go - you can't prove what distance Phantazia can operate at.

she manipulates the earths em fields, and considering that em fields are all over the earth, her range is pretty far.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-08.jpg

^^just how powerful the sonics are, severely hurting wonder man, but she stopped the attack because she didn't mean to hurt him. the same sonics are in the geothermal suit, the link i provided proves that. right rider "I can prove by bio". also, vindicator would have the same beam in her suit that killed sasquatch.

Hmm...

To roughrider: Do you have any scans that show Ironman's armor is capable of withstanding power grid disruptions i.e. EMPs?

And to Stormfront: Do you have any proof that Phantazia is "immune" to X-gene inhibitors and can manipulate EM fields on a planetary scale?

No, I have no scans.
SF and I are in a standoff - whoever blasts first wins, seemingly.

I can find a scan showing Ult. IM range with his neural disruptors, if I can shrink it enough for the file limits.

Originally posted by roughrider
No, I have no scans.
SF and I are in a standoff - whoever blasts first wins, seemingly.

I can find a scan showing Ult. IM range with his neural disruptors, if I can shrink it enough for the file limits.

Use Imageshack...

http://www.imageshack.us/

Originally posted by roughrider
No, I have no scans.
SF and I are in a standoff - whoever blasts first wins, seemingly.

I can find a scan showing Ult. IM range with his neural disruptors, if I can shrink it enough for the file limits.

Upload the pic. It might help sway a voter.

Stormfront: Does Phantazia have pinpoint accuracy with her powers, or is it an "area of effect" type ability?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Upload the pic. It might help sway a voter.

Stormfront: Does Phantazia have pinpoint accuracy with her powers, or is it an "area of effect" type ability?

that's what i asked. apparently she can narrow her control of the em field to hinder only tony. i'm not sure though . . . without a scan, that's a lot of control over a lot of distance -- especially when i'm not sure she can even see him (does she have scanners?? damn, i forget . . .)

these are 2 very difficult and close fights this round . . .