Ozymandias vs Captain America
Ozymandias from Watchmen fights the Captain in a large room with plenty of place to improvise and lots of furniture and objects lying around.
Both men have 1 hour prep.
So, a peak intelligence human who is skilled physically, versus a peak physical human who is smart as well.
H2H, weapons and prep allowed. Who wins?
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Rorscarch isn't really that exceptional in fighting though his resourcefulness, toughness and investigative traits are amazing. Niteowl 2 even moreso, he was never the type for direct conflicts but moreon technological savy unlike the first niteowl.
Well he seemed to do pretty well in all circumstances except against Ozzy, It's years since I read it though, so I might be wrong. I seem to remember he was an animal hand to hand and even got sent to Juvy for his level of violence. 🙂 Great Mini series though.
Well, Rorschach isn't exceptionally exceptional in H2H or martial arts, but he is nevertheless very tough, very resorceful, and doesn't appear to give up. Ever.
But Ozymandias beat him easily. Twice. And Nite Owl II at the same time.
Plus, Ozy can catch bullets. Wouldn't have much trouble catching Cap's shield.
I am tired of hearing a lot of the things mentioned above, so I hope what I have to say next will end this once and for all.........
I am talking STRICTLY AND ONLY about Ozymandias from the Watchman movie here.
Ozymandias wins, dont worry, I will tell you why.
Ozymandias has demonstrated on numerous occasions superhuman strength, superhuman reflexes and superhuman intelligence.
Ozymandias CAUGHT A BULLET...... HE CAUGHT A BULLET, and he DODGED LIKE TEN MORE BULLETS......
Ladies and Gentleman, lets stop pretending that this is not a big deal. Let's also stop trying to take away credit from Ozymandias.
It doesn't matter if you Ozymandias hatters say things like :" oh, but that was just lucky!!" I'm sorry, but when you catch something as fast as a bullet aimed at you, you usually aren't just "lucky"..... You need superhuman speed and reflexes to do that.
Some more eveidence to prove that Ozymandias wasn't just lucky................ Number one, he has on numerous occasions dodged bullets. Number two, he displayed superhuman speed in all his fights.
Has it ever occured to you Ozymandias haters that maybe it wasn't JUST luck?? Has it ever occured to you guys that maybe, just maybe, that Ozymandias caught the bullet because he had superhuman senses?
Ok, second of all, Ozymandias has on numerous occasions demonstrated superhuman strength. He kicked a man and sent him flying more than 20 feet across the room. He took a gigantic weapon in Watchman and smashed a guy and sent him flying for like 7 seconds before he fell....
He beat the tar out of Rorschach and Night Owl at the same time, two of the best fighters of their era, like they were 2 infants............ Even though Rorschach has shown the ability to hold his own against more than 20 armed and trained police officers attacking him at the same time..........
He also was able to beat the tar out of the comedian, who was stated to be superior to 99 percent of average humans, even though Comedian was a 60 year old man. Yep, the Comedian is actually in better physical shape then 99 percent of the human race, better than people who were 20 or 30 years younger than him.
Yea, I know the comedian was old, but, actually, contrary to popular belief, the comedian didn't get significantly weaker over the years, due to his intense combat training.
Captain America, on the otherhand, is NOT superhuman. He is simply a human body that is pushed to its very limits.
That enables him to run a mile in 1 minute and 10 seconds, and regenerate from wounds faster than a normal human. But, THERE IS NO WAY, I REPEAT, NO WAY, THAT CAPTAIN AMERICAN CAN SEE OR EVADE BULLETS, LET ALONG CATCH ONE.
I have seen Captain America at his fastest. At his fastest, he was able to run the mile in a little bit more than a minute.
But use your common sense guys, a bullet would finish a mile in less than 7 seconds, and Ozymandias proved himself to be far faster than a bullet.
In fact, in Watchman when they put Ozymandias and the bullets in slow motion, we can actually see him outrunning those bullets.
Captain America at the peak of his strength was able to barely lift a small car a few feet from the ground. Barely. Now, for a normal human, that is amazing. But compared to Ozymandias taking out the best fighters of his time, dodging and catching bullets, and kicking people and sending them flying like 30 feet across the room, Captain America isn't that amazing.
One more argument I here from Captain America fans is that : " oh, but captain america would have better techniques.... blablabla"
I will not deny the fact that captain america has good techniques.
But, Rorschach was one of the best street brawlers of all time when it comes to street brawls and gangfighting. So was night Owl. They both demonstrated enough skill to fight of multiple trained armed forces of gans and policemen. They both dominated every single street fight there was, and they both dominated the prison fights in jail.
BUT, RORSCHACH AND NIGHT OWL BOTH GOT PAWNED AROUND BY OZYMANDIAS LIKE THEY WERE 2 INFANTS!!!!!!!!!
So, technique does help, but when someone outnumbers you in the speed of movements by like 100 times, (which in this case is true), techniques won't help out Captain America much here.....
So, what I am trying to say here is....... In terms of strength, they are more or less equal. In terms of technique, Captain Marvel has the advantage over Ozymandias. But, fact is, the difference between their speed is just too big.
If Ozymandias could see bullets comming at him and dodge and catch them, it would only make sense if he could see Captain America's movements, and dodge him too, right?
Last but not least, Ozymandias is officially and literally, "the smartest man in the world." He has on numerous occasions demonstrated his intelligence. He was able to manipulate the genes of people, outwit all the other minutemen and the police officers, creat an alien monster, invent deadly weapons, outsmart the government, etc............. Captain America is smart too, but they are not in the same league.
Ozymandia's intelligence would help him out certainly.
Now, guys, please don't get mad at me. It's not that I don't like Captain America..... I LIKE him, and I think he is an ultra cool guy, but facts are facts.
Again, I am talking STRICTLY AND ONLY about the Ozymandias from the movie Watchman.
Hope this helped, and you are all welcomed to disagree with me anytime.
Ozymandias vs Captain America
am tired of hearing a lot of the things mentioned above, so I hope what I have to say next will end this once and for all.........
I am talking STRICTLY AND ONLY about Ozymandias from the Watchman movie here.
Ozymandias wins, dont worry, I will tell you why.
Ozymandias has demonstrated on numerous occasions superhuman strength, superhuman reflexes and superhuman intelligence.
Ozymandias CAUGHT A BULLET...... HE CAUGHT A BULLET, and he DODGED LIKE TEN MORE BULLETS......
Ladies and Gentleman, lets stop pretending that this is not a big deal. Let's also stop trying to take away credit from Ozymandias.
It doesn't matter if you Ozymandias hatters say things like :" oh, but that was just lucky!!" I'm sorry, but when you catch something as fast as a bullet aimed at you, you usually aren't just "lucky"..... You need superhuman speed and reflexes to do that.
Some more eveidence to prove that Ozymandias wasn't just lucky................ Number one, he has on numerous occasions dodged bullets. Number two, he displayed superhuman speed in all his fights.
Has it ever occured to you Ozymandias haters that maybe it wasn't JUST luck?? Has it ever occured to you guys that maybe, just maybe, that Ozymandias caught the bullet because he had superhuman senses?
Ok, second of all, Ozymandias has on numerous occasions demonstrated superhuman strength. He kicked a man and sent him flying more than 20 feet across the room. He took a gigantic weapon in Watchman and smashed a guy and sent him flying for like 7 seconds before he fell....
He beat the tar out of Rorschach and Night Owl at the same time, two of the best fighters of their era, like they were 2 infants............ Even though Rorschach has shown the ability to hold his own against more than 20 armed and trained police officers attacking him at the same time..........
He also was able to beat the tar out of the comedian, who was stated to be superior to 99 percent of average humans, even though Comedian was a 60 year old man. Yep, the Comedian is actually in better physical shape then 99 percent of the human race, better than people who were 20 or 30 years younger than him.
Yea, I know the comedian was old, but, actually, contrary to popular belief, the comedian didn't get significantly weaker over the years, due to his intense combat training.
Captain America, on the otherhand, is NOT superhuman. He is simply a human body that is pushed to its very limits.
That enables him to run a mile in 1 minute and 10 seconds, and regenerate from wounds faster than a normal human. But, THERE IS NO WAY, I REPEAT, NO WAY, THAT CAPTAIN AMERICAN CAN SEE OR EVADE BULLETS, LET ALONG CATCH ONE.
I have seen Captain America at his fastest. At his fastest, he was able to run the mile in a little bit more than a minute.
But use your common sense guys, a bullet would finish a mile in less than 7 seconds, and Ozymandias proved himself to be far faster than a bullet.
In fact, in Watchman when they put Ozymandias and the bullets in slow motion, we can actually see him outrunning those bullets.
Captain America at the peak of his strength was able to barely lift a small car a few feet from the ground. Barely. Now, for a normal human, that is amazing. But compared to Ozymandias taking out the best fighters of his time, dodging and catching bullets, and kicking people and sending them flying like 30 feet across the room, Captain America isn't that amazing.
One more argument I here from Captain America fans is that : " oh, but captain america would have better techniques.... blablabla"
I will not deny the fact that captain america has good techniques.
But, Rorschach was one of the best street brawlers of all time when it comes to street brawls and gangfighting. So was night Owl. They both demonstrated enough skill to fight of multiple trained armed forces of gans and policemen. They both dominated every single street fight there was, and they both dominated the prison fights in jail.
BUT, RORSCHACH AND NIGHT OWL BOTH GOT PAWNED AROUND BY OZYMANDIAS LIKE THEY WERE 2 INFANTS!!!!!!!!!
So, technique does help, but when someone outnumbers you in the speed of movements by like 100 times, (which in this case is true), techniques won't help out Captain America much here.....
So, what I am trying to say here is....... In terms of strength, they are more or less equal. In terms of technique, Captain Marvel has the advantage over Ozymandias. But, fact is, the difference between their speed is just too big.
If Ozymandias could see bullets comming at him and dodge and catch them, it would only make sense if he could see Captain America's movements, and dodge him too, right?
Last but not least, Ozymandias is officially and literally, "the smartest man in the world." He has on numerous occasions demonstrated his intelligence. He was able to manipulate the genes of people, outwit all the other minutemen and the police officers, creat an alien monster, invent deadly weapons, outsmart the government, etc............. Captain America is smart too, but they are not in the same league.
Ozymandia's intelligence would help him out certainly.
Now, guys, please don't get mad at me. It's not that I don't like Captain America..... I LIKE him, and I think he is an ultra cool guy, but facts are facts.
Again, I am talking STRICTLY AND ONLY about the Ozymandias from the movie Watchman.
Hope this helped, and you are all welcomed to disagree with me anytime.
So you're saying that because movie Ozymandias was shown to have dodged bullets, caught bullets, and sent people flying with punches and kicks, it's safe to assume he's got superhuman strength and speed..... however, Captain America (who is stated to be enhanced) isn't up to par with that, in spite of decades worth of better feats to back up his superhuman stats?
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Captain America ftw.
hilarious post.... to hype ozy and massively downplay caps feats that put him above Ozy in various areas... hell, its fair to mention he might have even lied about cap's abilities or knows nothing about cap.
A) Cap has seen bullets travel in slow motion.
B) Cap has depiction of outrunning bullets and tossing his shield in its path after they bn fired... Ozy Movie interpretation of bullet timing <<<< Comic interpretation of Cap bullet timing.
Cap ftw.
Ozy's best bet is to go for a quick win and hope that Cap left his shield at home. If the fight goes too long Captain America's superhuman endurance will be the deciding factor. But Captain America is in for a damn good fight, Ozy might even gain the upper hand for a moment but I doubt he'll win.
Cap 8/10