Ozy vs Cap
Again, I am talking about Ozymandias from the movie Watchman. Ozymandias from the Comics would lose to Cap America....
For the record, Captain America has never caught a bullet.
Again, it is still my opinion that you cannot catch bullets and be human.
Cap America is part of supersoldier program, so yea, he can run like crazy, lift heavier objects, and do amazing things.
But Ozymandias took out other superheroes who have performed feats almost equal to Cap America. Ozymandias beat the hell out of Rorschach and Night Owl like they were both infants,
Ozymandias evaded countless bullets and caught a bullet before smashing the assasin and sending him flying across the room. Not only does Ozy have superhuman speed/ reflexes, he has superhuman senses which allows him to see where his opponent's attack is going to go beforehand.... If he can see bullets in slow motion, he can see Captain America's moves in slow motion, and counter them.
Again, there is no indication of Captain America's speed that suggests he can match Ozymandia's speed.
The fastest I have seen Captain America is when he ran a mile in a little more than a minute.
If it's hand to hand combat, speed and strength = everything.
If Ozymandias can woop two of the best fighters of his era- Rorschach and Night Owl like two little wussy girls, I am sure he can best Cap America after a good fight.....
And guys, list facts, don't just discredit what people say. Give real evidence
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Again, I am talking about Ozymandias from the movie Watchman. Ozymandias from the Comics would lose to Cap America....For the record, Captain America has never caught a bullet. Again, it is still my opinion that you cannot catch bullets and be human.
And guys, list facts, don't just discredit what people say. Give real evidence
Why take a chance to catch a bullet and take damage like Ozymandias (who also had to play dead in order to disarm Silk Spectre II) when Cap could simply dodge them or block them with his shield altogether to resume his attack?
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For the record, Captain America has healed from an otherwise fatal headshot. It is not my opinion but a fact that you cannot fully recovered from a fatal headshot and be anything less than superhuman.
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Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Cap America is part of supersoldier program, so yea, he can run like crazy, lift heavier objects, and do amazing things.But Ozymandias took out other superheroes who have performed feats almost equal to Cap America. Ozymandias beat the hell out of Rorschach and Night Owl like they were both infants,
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Ozymandias evaded countless bullets and caught a bullet before smashing the assasin and sending him flying across the room. Not only does Ozy have superhuman speed/ reflexes, he has superhuman senses which allows him to see where his opponent's attack is going to go beforehand.... If he can see bullets in slow motion, he can see Captain America's moves in slow motion, and counter them.Again, there is no indication of Captain America's speed that suggests he can match Ozymandia's speed. The fastest I have seen Captain America is when he ran a mile in a little more than a minute.
If it's hand to hand combat, speed and strength = everything.
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So much for Ozymandias being faster... Surely he'd be stronger than Cap, right?
Nah. Ozymandias's biggest strength feats were throwing the past-prime Comedian through plate glass, and beating the crap out of a would-be assassin with a presumably solid metal ornamental piece.
Cap effortlessly curling 500lbs (without the benefit of the Super http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1125/curl500tu1.jpg
Punching a feral Wolverine through a car:
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Already he's got better feats.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
If Ozymandias can woop two of the best fighters of his era- Rorschach and Night Owl like two little wussy girls, I am sure he can best Cap America after a good fight.....
Rorschach and Night Owl were among the best in their respective universe, but they can't hold a candle to most other skilled streets in either DC or Marvel... much less Captain America. In comparison, they'd might as well be "two little wussy girls".
Captain America has beaten many of the best fighters in the Marvel Universe. Those he couldn't beat, he at least stalemated. Ozymandias has beaten Rorschach, Nite-Owl II, and a past-prime and possibly drunk Comedian.
Ozymandias would get his ass handed to him by Captain America, regardless of which version of Ozymandias you use.
You guys must be incredibly tired of hearing.
How many times do I have to repeat the words "hand to hand combat?" So STOP mentioning Captain America's shield for God's sake, cauz we are talking ONLY about hand to hand combat. So don't go telling me :" oh, but captain america can block bullets with his shield!" Geez, PAY ATTENTION.
Also, don't tell people they don't know what they are talking about. I'm sure everyone here usually have a pretty good understanding of the comics. Let's stick to the topic, and not tell each other things like :" Oh you don't know crap about captain america.'
Cauz I do as a matter of fact, and I can prove that by describing to you every single appearance and enemy Captain America faced and describe to you the encounters.
Ok, here are some things that Ozymandias REALLY did.
1) Kicking Night Owl who was stated to be over 250 pounds, and sending him flying at least 40 feet. So in terms of strength, Cap may have an advantage, but only a slight one.
2). Even in the comics, when Ozymandias was surrounded by up to 10 guys with guns firing at him at the same time, he managed to time, forsee, and observe the path of every single bullet fired, and dodge them all. He then closed the distance and broke the neck of just about every single assasin there, and only one of the assasins had time to reload before getting ripped into pieces by Ozymandias.
3). Don't tell me that Rorschach isn't strong. He managed to best more than 10 armed policeman barehanded. He dominated every single prison he went to. He beat up any hoodlum/gangster that crossed his path. When he was a kid he would kill adults in the most violent ways you can imagine. He jumpted from the roofs of buildings onto the roofs of other buildings, much like spiderman. Yea, there is no proof that he had superhuman powers, but he demonstrated enough power to put him in the very peak of the human body potential.
Night Owl beat the tar out of every single person he faced (even many super villains). He was an excellent combatant too.
Right, I agree with you that Captain America can do that easily. yea, he can probably beat up any human he wants. I would also say that he should be able to take Night Owl and Rorschach at the same time.
BUT, if you look at how easily Ozymandias annihilated Rorschach and Night Owl, you will be amazed. (unless you look at it from a biased point of view). I DOUBT captain america can do that.
Again, Captain America is only a human body pushed to its very limits. He can heal 5 times faster than most humans, but that's not gonna prevent him from getting KILLED. In other words, the ability to heal doesn't make one tougher. For example, if you damage captain america, he can heal faster. But if you KILL him, he can't come back to life just because he can heal faster.
4). There is NO indication of captain America being able to CATCH a bullet. He may have dodged a bullet, but compared to Ozymandias in the comics dodging and timing bullets fired from an army of assasins, and catching bullets in the movie, what Captain America did is NOTHING.
5). Captain America can curl 500 lbs (not "effortelessly" like you say). So what???? He would be punched 30 times before he knows what's going on by a "faster than a bullet" Ozymandias!!! HAHAHA.
6). Captain America never beat anyone who has "superhuman" powers at the same lvl with Ozymandias. He never "beat" wolverine. Wolverine just let him self get punched and he wasn't hurt at all. Captain America beats the hell outta criminals, yea, but Rorschach does the exact same thing, and so does the comedian. Yet they get pawned by Ozymandias.
7) To say that Captain America can take out the entire Minutemen and Crimebusters at the same time is not just ridiculous, It's ABSURD.
Don't even think about saying that in public cauz youre gonna get victamized.
I can list at least 2 other characters in the minuteman and crimebusters that can top Captain America, if you wanna hear em, but I dont wanna go off topic too much.
When captain America recovered from a bullet wound, he had outside help too.
Again, Captain america dodged a bullet, big deal. Compared to Ozymandias dodging mutiple bullets fired by multiple assasins at the same time, and CATCHING bullets, Captain America doesn't stand a chance.
In the scene in Watchman, in slow motion, we actually see Ozymandias RUNNING faster than a bullet ( slow motion ). So, Captain America has better endurance, but in terms of short explosive movements, Ozymandias tops him by far in terms of speed.
Also, there is no proof that the Comedian was drunk, so you cannot just assume that.
I WILL STATE THIS ONE MORE TIME. There is no proof that the Comedian got weaker by a large margin over the years. Don't forget he does not have the same normal life routine as normal people. Actually it was stated that he trained extremely hard over the years. Even at the time of his death, he was stated to have "the most refined physic" that the doctors have ever seen, and was stated to have "incredible and near impossible muscles for his age."
One more thing, it's against the forums rules here to double post, so I'm gonna have to report you on that if you do it again.
Last but not least, watch your language. I'm giving you one more chance before I report you for that too to the moderators, which can lead to you getting banned.......
Re: Ozymandias vs Captain America
Originally posted by Etrigan
Ozymandias from Watchmen fights the Captain in a large room with plenty of place to improvise and lots of furniture and objects lying around.Both men have 1 hour prep.
So, a peak intelligence human who is skilled physically, versus a peak physical human who is smart as well.
H2H, weapons and prep allowed. Who wins?
This would be a great fight. But Ozyman will be the victor more times than not. Catching a bullet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything Cap has done.
Hell, that is Bruce Leroy type stuff (The GLOW).
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
You guys must be incredibly tired of hearing.How many times do I have to repeat the words "hand to hand combat?" So STOP mentioning Captain America's shield for God's sake, cauz we are talking ONLY about hand to hand combat. So don't go telling me :" oh, but captain america can block bullets with his shield!" Geez, PAY ATTENTION.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Also, don't tell people they don't know what they are talking about. I'm sure everyone here usually have a pretty good understanding of the comics. Let's stick to the topic, and not tell each other things like :" Oh you don't know crap about captain america.'
Adrian Veidt is German. Captain America has built a career early on by beating the crap out of Germans, superhuman or not.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Cauz I do as a matter of fact, and I can prove that by describing to you every single appearance and enemy Captain America faced and describe to you the encounters.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Ok, here are some things that Ozymandias REALLY did.
1) Kicking Night Owl who was stated to be over 250 pounds, and sending him flying at least 40 feet. So in terms of strength, Cap may have an advantage, but only a slight one.
1) Where was it stated that Nite-Owl was 250lbs? It's not too farfetched, but where's the proof of your claim? In the movie, Ozymandias kicked him a good distance; I posted a scan of Cap punching a crazed Wolverine over a good distance AND through a car. Try again.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
2). Even in the comics, when Ozymandias was surrounded by up to 10 guys with guns firing at him at the same time, he managed to time, forsee, and observe the path of every single bullet fired, and dodge them all. He then closed the distance and broke the neck of just about every single assasin there, and only one of the assasins had time to reload before getting ripped into pieces by Ozymandias.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
3). Don't tell me that Rorschach isn't strong. He managed to best more than 10 armed policeman barehanded. He dominated every single prison he went to. He beat up any hoodlum/gangster that crossed his path. When he was a kid he would kill adults in the most violent ways you can imagine. He jumpted from the roofs of buildings onto the roofs of other buildings, much like spiderman. Yea, there is no proof that he had superhuman powers, but he demonstrated enough power to put him in the very peak of the human body potential.
hysterical
Jumping off rooftops is the litmus test for being a superhero. Even the Tick knows that. Ordinary people jump off rooftops. Are you going to tell me someone like Jackie Chan is at the very peak of human potential too?
Rorschach jumping across rooftops, wearing a mask, and beating up random thugs are the minimal requirements of vigilantism... that doesn't put him anywhere near Cap's (or Spider-Man's) league. He was strong for little guy, but it was his skill that allowed him to fight off a few police officer in the movie.... and he lost that fight, remember?
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Night Owl beat the tar out of every single person he faced (even many super villains). He was an excellent combatant too.
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Moloch was the only identified villain in the series that we know anything about; he used a magic gimmick and weapons during his criminal exploits.... and from what I remember, he retired before Nite-Owl II came around. At best, he beat the crap out of cannon-fodder unskilled street thugs and prisoners. Nowhere in the Watchmen movie or comic did he kick the crap out of someone with actual fighting skills.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Right, I agree with you that Captain America can do that easily. yea, he can probably beat up any human he wants. I would also say that he should be able to take Night Owl and Rorschach at the same time.BUT, if you look at how easily Ozymandias annihilated Rorschach and Night Owl, you will be amazed. (unless you look at it from a biased point of view). I DOUBT captain america can do that.
As I've said earlier, Captain America would have manhandled everyone on the Crimebusters and the Minutemen (who weren't all that impressive) rosters at the same time except for Dr. Manhattan.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
Again, Captain America is only a human body pushed to its very limits. He can heal 5 times faster than most humans, but that's not gonna prevent him from getting KILLED. In other words, the ability to heal doesn't make one tougher. For example, if you damage captain america, he can heal faster. But if you KILL him, he can't come back to life just because he can heal faster.
I don't recall any mention of Veidt possessing a healing factor either. That already gives Cap a clear advantage. So not only does Cap heal much faster than Ozymandias, but he's also stronger, faster, more durable, and a better fighter.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
4). There is NO indication of captain America being able to CATCH a bullet. He may have dodged a bullet, but compared to Ozymandias in the comics dodging and timing bullets fired from an army of assasins, and catching bullets in the movie, what Captain America did is NOTHING.Again, Captain america dodged a bullet, big deal. Compared to Ozymandias dodging mutiple bullets fired by multiple assasins at the same time, and CATCHING bullets, Captain America doesn't stand a chance.
Comic Ozymandias dodged fire from a lone gunman, and caught ONE bullet ONCE. He tried catching the bullet because he obviously couldn't dodge it in time, and was amazed himself that he managed to pull it off. He took damage to his hands, and played dead in order to make Silk Spectre II drop her guard and disarm her. WOW........
Hyped-up movie Ozymandias didn't do anything that Cap hasn't already done hundreds of times before.
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Originally posted by kdonggyu94
5). Captain America can curl 500 lbs (not "effortelessly" like you say). So what???? He would be punched 30 times before he knows what's going on by a "faster than a bullet" Ozymandias!!! HAHAHA.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
6). Captain America never beat anyone who has "superhuman" powers at the same lvl with Ozymandias. He never "beat" wolverine. Wolverine just let him self get punched and he wasn't hurt at all. Captain America beats the hell outta criminals, yea, but Rorschach does the exact same thing, and so does the comedian. Yet they get pawned by Ozymandias.
Ozymandias beat Nite-Owl and Rorschach, who built their reputations beating up on common street thug criminals. The Comedian was so good, he was commissioned by the American government to carry out missions on domestic soil and overseas for decades (something Cap does whenever he's not smacking around real supervillains). He was killed past his prime (he was even shown abusing alcohol shortly before his death in Moloch's flashback) by a still relatively youthful Ozymandias. It's impressive, but not impressive enough.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
7) To say that Captain America can take out the entire Minutemen and Crimebusters at the same time is not just ridiculous, It's ABSURD.Don't even think about saying that in public cauz youre gonna get victamized.
I can list at least 2 other characters in the minuteman and crimebusters that can top Captain America, if you wanna hear em, but I dont wanna go off topic too much.
7) The Minutemen in the Watchmen series were a joke. Only the Comedian (strong and violent), the original Nite-Owl (a good boxer), and Hooded Justice (freakishly strong) counted for anything.The original Silk Spectre was a publicity stunt that horny criminals threw themselves at. Dollar Bill got his cape caught in a revolving door and was shot to death trying to stop a bank heist. Captain Metropolis was a weak-willed chump. Mothman was a typical bored rich kid who thought fighting crime would be fun and games, who soon afterward drowned the harsh realities of crimefighting in alcohol. The Silhoutte was killed by a lone gunman out for revenge against her. At best, they're a warm-up for Captain America.
The Crimebusters (minus Dr. Manhattan) are much better by comparison, but still don't have the feats to pose much of a threat to Cap.
I said so in public and was called a jerk and a dookie-head by unenlightened Watchmen geeks choking on their on own tears.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
When captain America recovered from a bullet wound, he had outside help too.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
In the scene in Watchman, in slow motion, we actually see Ozymandias RUNNING faster than a bullet ( slow motion ). So, Captain America has better endurance, but in terms of short explosive movements, Ozymandias tops him by far in terms of speed.
Cap was fast enough to keep up with guys like Spider-Man, Wolverine, Daredevil, Beast, Batroc, and the Scorpion. I suppose you think Ozymandias is on their level as well, despite the lack of proof.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
I WILL STATE THIS ONE MORE TIME. There is no proof that the Comedian got weaker by a large margin over the years. Don't forget he does not have the same normal life routine as normal people. Actually it was stated that he trained extremely hard over the years. Even at the time of his death, he was stated to have "the most refined physic" that the doctors have ever seen, and was stated to have "incredible and near impossible muscles for his age."
"incredible and near impossible muscles FOR HIS AGE." actually supports my argument for past-prime Comedian, anyhow.
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
One more thing, it's against the forums rules here to double post, so I'm gonna have to report you on that if you do it again.Last but not least, watch your language. I'm giving you one more chance before I report you for that too to the moderators, which can lead to you getting banned.......
I laugh at you. 😐
Captain America ftw. An hour of prep is won't do Veidt much good, and he's definitely not going to drop Rogers.
Captain America is seriously underated, Mr Rogers would send any non-superhuman that tried to tangle in a fist fight with him out in a bodybag, EVERY SINGLE non-superhuman would get their asses handed to them against his physical dominance
he's as strong and as fast and as durable as any human being could ever be, hes at the peak
Yep, nice try, Eternal Idol. I gotta admit you make some good points, but when it comes to small details you "twist" the truth often.
First of all, it's against forum rules to post scams, (which you did and tried to encourage me into doing). So if you wanna prove yourself right, do it another way. So, stop telling me to "post scams to support my claim", cauz thats not allowed here in forum. or do i have to report you again?
Second of all, it's only your opinion that you disproved me. Lol, I'm sure there will be people that will side with you, but there will be people that side with me too. So, might wanna take down that self-esteem a bit.......
Third of all, you ask me where I can give you the evidence that ozymandias was faster than a bullet. THE MOVIE.
Fourth of all, er, Captain America wasn't "keeping up" exactly with Wolverine and Daredevil. Again, he punched Wolverine as hard as he could and Wolverine went into a car, yea, but he didn't suffer any injuries. He might have seemed like he was in pain, but he wasn't "hurt". Wolverine wasn't even being serious.
Fiffth of all, you say Captain America has "stalemated" with people like spiderman and daredevil. NO HE HASNT. Depends on how you define stalemate. If you mean stalemate as in " keeping your skin from ripped off", then yea, but if you mean stalemate as in "literally tie", then no Captain America was no way tied with them. All he could do was run, and put up a struggle, but he wasn't even close to being a threat.
Again, I'm talking about hand to hand combat, so maybe Captain America did beat stronger people, but if he was using a bunch of special equipments, then don't use those as your evidence.
6th of all, stop mentioning captain america's sheild for gods sake, we're talking about barehanded combat.
7th of all, you obviously don't know Ozymandias well. Go read the comics.
8th of all, I said Rorschach was jumping from rooftops to other rooftops, not he was jumping "down from" rooftops. Stop changing little words around.
Lol, I'd like to see you jump from buildings to buildings that are 30 feet apart, and , fall to a miserable and shameful death.....
9th of all, Ozymandias is the smartest man in the world, so in one hour of prep time I'm SURE he will figure out something.
10th of all,again, Captain America would get punched 30 times by someone who's faster than a bullet, before he even knows what's going on....
11th of all, Ozymandias has on numerous occasions proved himself to be superior to Wolverine in terms of speed. At least in dodging attacks.
Again, you're breaking a forum rule by posting movie scans.
12th of all, what in the hevenly father's name does being German have ANYTHING to do with fighting????????
Last but not least, you are biased. Everytime Ozymandias does something you call it luck, but everytime captain america does something you call it skill..... You also GREATLY exagerate Captain America's feats.
We all have our personal likes and dislikes, so respect people for who they are.
Also, do you have a sort of a fetish for double posting? Seriously dude....
Originally posted by kdonggyu94
*semantics*
Now I don't know whether you're trolling or just delusional.
@ the new guy 👇 eerban
okay these are just feats that surpasses veidt
bullet dodging agility reaction:
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can see bullets:
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strength
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http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica-Annual12-1993-TheBat.jpg
by the way cap has tossed a full grown man into the ocean with one arm while struggling against him... distance fair to say was at least over 50 yrds.
