Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Bullshit. How can the man kill her if she's gone far away, informed the police etc? Is he omnipotent?
Often the woman is scared. Even if the police lock the guy up, she is still afraid he will kill her. They can't help but be scared.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They aren't unable to seek help, they just don't think they can. If they knew they could I'm sure they would.
Correct. They can't seek help. Their abusive husband has conditioned them into staying with them. Women don't seek help simply because they are too afraid.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait....why are the women free from blame then? That's a stupid way of dealing with home abuse. If you're stupid enough to believe the "I love you" trick after the man has just turned your face into a hamburger, then you've got serious issues.
It happens. Women go back to their abusive husbands all the time, no matter what has happened to them. In a weird way, they love these men, even though they are beaten by them. They should not be allowed to kill and get away with it, but jail time is too excessive.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not her fault she was abused so as a result it's ok to commit murder if she's had a bad life? Be VERY careful how you answer.
It's not okay to commit murder. Every murder is different. People kill for all sorts of reasons. They don't kill just for the fun of it. People kill loved ones to free them from pain, people lose control and lash out, and may kill someone unintentionally, people kill because they are defending themselves. Women kill their husbands because to them, they feel that the only way out of an abusive relationship is to kill. We cannot blame them for thinking this way. We shouldnot condone what they have done, but understand them, and offer them advice on what to do if they ever find themselves in the same situation.
Did you know that many women, after leaving abusive relationships, walk straight into another one? These women think they deserve to be hit, that it is their fault, and they deserve it, that they said something wrong etc. No woman should ever think like that, and we shouldn't punish them by locking them away. If we did that, it's like we condone what happened to them.
Originally posted by Makedde
It's not okay to commit murder. Every murder is different. People kill for all sorts of reasons. They don't kill just for the fun of it. People kill loved ones to free them from pain, people lose control and lash out, and may kill someone unintentionally, people kill because they are defending themselves. Women kill their husbands because to them, they feel that the only way out of an abusive relationship is to kill. We cannot blame them for thinking this way. We shouldnot condone what they have done, but understand them, and offer them advice on what to do if they ever find themselves in the same situation.Did you know that many women, after leaving abusive relationships, walk straight into another one? These women think they deserve to be hit, that it is their fault, and they deserve it, that they said something wrong etc. No woman should ever think like that, and we shouldn't punish them by locking them away. If we did that, it's like we condone what happened to them.
People kill for the fun of it...we shouldn't blame them for thinking that way ....
THey are not punished for walking into abusive relationships they are punished if they kill their partner..that is quite a difference is it not?
Originally posted by Makedde
Often the woman is scared. Even if the police lock the guy up, she is still afraid he will kill her. They can't help but be scared.
Well then that's irrationality through emotion. It's not like they can't get away, literally.
Originally posted by Makedde
Correct. They can't seek help. Their abusive husband has conditioned them into staying with them. Women don't seek help simply because they are too afraid.
Being too afraid to do something and literally not having the means are two different things.
Originally posted by Makedde
It happens. Women go back to their abusive husbands all the time, no matter what has happened to them. In a weird way, they love these men, even though they are beaten by them. They should not be allowed to kill and get away with it, but jail time is too excessive.
Murder is murder. If you do a crime that can be labelled murder, you do the time.
Originally posted by Makedde
It's not okay to commit murder. Every murder is different. People kill for all sorts of reasons. They don't kill just for the fun of it. People kill loved ones to free them from pain, people lose control and lash out, and may kill someone unintentionally, people kill because they are defending themselves. Women kill their husbands because to them, they feel that the only way out of an abusive relationship is to kill. We cannot blame them for thinking this way. We shouldnot condone what they have done, but understand them, and offer them advice on what to do if they ever find themselves in the same situation.
This is why you're a hypocrite. You're pro-killing when it suits you but then you say murder is wrong etc.
Killing unintentionally isn't murder, euthanasia then...isn't murder. Murder is a very specific crime, not all killing is murder. However, if a woman is getting screamed at by her husband and she kills him, it's still murder. She struck him with intent to kill, with malice. She committed murder so she does the time for murder, simple as. You need to sort out your legal definitions before you go labelling things ok or not.
I totally understand WHY she did it, but she still did it.
Originally posted by Makedde
Did you know that many women, after leaving abusive relationships, walk straight into another one? These women think they deserve to be hit, that it is their fault, and they deserve it, that they said something wrong etc. No woman should ever think like that, and we shouldn't punish them by locking them away. If we did that, it's like we condone what happened to them.
It doesn't mean they should get off lightly with murder.
-AC
Originally posted by Makedde
This is domestic violence, meaning man beating up his wife, not men being randomly attacked by other men.
Have you forgotten that men can be in relationships with other men? The same thing goes on. If you think it only happens to women you are really naive. and im putting it lightly. even so, the attack isnt random 90% of the time anyway, they look for someone weaker than them so they get more confident when they beat him up.
stop acting like women are the only ones in the world who get abused
Originally posted by Makedde
There is a woman here on trial for killing her abusive husband. She was married to him for 17 years, and during that time, he beat her daily, raped her, tied her up and treated her like a sex slave. She had enough and killed him. She's on trial for murder because she wasn't defending herself at the time. It would have been okay if she killed him while he was beating her, or raping her, but the courts are too stupid to realise you can't kill someone when you're being attacked, or raped.This poor women was tortured for 17 long years, treated like dirt by the man she married, the man she once loved.
I have no sympathy for this man at all, he got what he deserved. This brave woman not only protected herself against the likes of him, she protected other women.
Now she may go to jail for killing him. If she does, it would be as if the courts condone this sort of violence. People seem to think that if you are being abused, you can just leave. It doesn't work like that. Women are tortured, they are told that if they leave, no one will ever love them, everyone hates them. Their self esteem is ripped away, and when they finally break down, have had enough, they get hauled into court and punished.
Pathetic.
She's being punished because she committed a serious crime.
If she was being abused why didn't she leave?
She this is the part of my job I HATE. Have to deal with the deaths of abused women.
Not to be harsh, but most abused women make me SICK. Like the woman you're talking about for insist. She endured his abuse for SEVENTEEN YEARS! Is she really that stupid. She could've left him, gotten a restraining order and stayed a battered womens home, or a girlfriends house, or a family members house.
And FYI women can leave, I see it all the time. I've seen women go into shelters and they were half dead and she'd be screaming about her husband being on her heels.
I'm sorry, but I'd have to say that women do get off easier than men. If a man slaps a women, BAM he's in jail. Woman slaps a man...nothing.
You can't just wake up one day and decide that you had had enough and kill him. If you want to get away, leave.
Self esteem isn't as important as your life. Love isn't as important as your life. And why would you believe a man that beats and rapes you?
Originally posted by Zebina
Not to be harsh, but most abused women make me SICK. Like the woman you're talking about for insist. She endured his abuse for SEVENTEEN YEARS! Is she really that stupid. She could've left him, gotten a restraining order and stayed a battered womens home, or a girlfriends house, or a family members house.
100% Agree!
All she would have to do is tell a male relative. If any man beats one of my sisters, I'll f*cking maim him! No jokes, ese!
Originally posted by Zebina
She's being punished because she committed a serious crime.If she was being abused why didn't she leave?
She this is the part of my job I HATE. Have to deal with the deaths of abused women.Not to be harsh, but most abused women make me SICK. Like the woman you're talking about for insist. She endured his abuse for SEVENTEEN YEARS! Is she really that stupid. She could've left him, gotten a restraining order and stayed a battered womens home, or a girlfriends house, or a family members house.
And FYI women can leave, I see it all the time. I've seen women go into shelters and they were half dead and she'd be screaming about her husband being on her heels.
I'm sorry, but I'd have to say that women do get off easier than men. If a man slaps a women, BAM he's in jail. Woman slaps a man...nothing.
You can't just wake up one day and decide that you had had enough and kill him. If you want to get away, leave.
Self esteem isn't as important as your life. Love isn't as important as your life. And why would you believe a man that beats and rapes you?
You have obviously never been abused. You might think it's easy to just walk out, but how do you know what a womans state of mind is? You don't, and you will never know until you are in the same situation.
You'd like to think she oculd just leave, it's so easy, she's stupid, but that is just ignorant thinking. You have no idea.
Originally posted by Makedde
You have obviously never been abused.
Originally posted by Makedde
If a woman is being beaten by her husbnad, and she kills her husband while he is beating her, that is not murder, it is self defense.
Originally posted by Zebina
Not to be harsh, but most abused women make me SICK. Like the woman you're talking about for insist. She endured his abuse for SEVENTEEN YEARS! Is she really that stupid. She could've left him, gotten a restraining order and stayed a battered womens home, or a girlfriends house, or a family members house.
I not saying you're wrong or right, but you were acting like you had more authority on the subject than Zebina.
Remember when you said this?
Originally posted by Makedde
You don't, and you will never know until you are in the same situation.
I also believe that it is far more complicated, in the head of the abused woman, than simply leaving her abuser. I also have sympathy for them,but it doesn't change the fact that it's still her fault if she stays.
I don't know many people who want this to happen Makedde, but murder can't be condoned because of some women thinking irrationally.
Sidenote: How do you pronounce your name? I keep saying Mekady. Is it Mekeed? Mukeed? Mekeedy? Mekayd?
Originally posted by Makedde
I haven't been abused, but I can understand the situation women are in. They are emotionally ruined, made to believe that they deserve to be hit. If a woman believes that being hit is her own fault, she isn't going to leave, is she?
Hahaha. Brb, just getting a quote you said earlier...
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Originally posted by Makedde
You have obviously never been abused. You might think it's easy to just walk out, but how do you know what a womans state of mind is? You don't, and you will never know until you are in the same situation.
I think you should be quiet, just for your own sake. You're fast approaching KMC's biggest and most ridiculous hypocrite.
Telling someone they don't get it, and won't until they're abused, then admitting you haven't been either, is never the best way to wage a debate.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think you should be quiet, just for your own sake. You're fast approaching KMC's biggest and most ridiculous hypocrite.Telling someone they don't get it, and won't until they're abused, then admitting you haven't been either, is never the best way to wage a debate.
-AC
Exactly What I was going to say.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha. Brb, just getting a quote you said earlier......
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I think you should be quiet, just for your own sake. You're fast approaching KMC's biggest and most ridiculous hypocrite.
Telling someone they don't get it, and won't until they're abused, then admitting you haven't been either, is never the best way to wage a debate.
-AC
I don't have to know whats it's like to be abused to know how hard it must be for these women. Your a guy so of course you couldn't possibly imagine. 🙄
The woman who shot her husband because her abused her for 17 was free on Saturday. She was found not guilty of murder and manslaughter. Now she is free and can rebuild her life, and her arsehole husband can rot in hell.
Originally posted by Makedde
I don't have to know whats it's like to be abused to know how hard it must be for these women. Your a guy so of course you couldn't possibly imagine. 🙄The woman who shot her husband because her abused her for 17 was free on Saturday. She was found not guilty of murder and manslaughter. Now she is free and can rebuild her life, and her arsehole husband can rot in hell.
Holy shit, what kind of sexist thing are you?
Originally posted by Makedde
I don't have to know whats it's like to be abused to know how hard it must be for these women. Your a guy so of course you couldn't possibly imagine. 🙄
Are you on a mission to make everyone believe you have nothing worthwhile to say? You're doing a good job.
You've never been abused so you cannot imagine what it's like.
Originally posted by Makedde
The woman who shot her husband because her abused her for 17 was free on Saturday. She was found not guilty of murder and manslaughter. Now she is free and can rebuild her life, and her arsehole husband can rot in hell.
Disgrace. You are without a doubt THE biggest hypocrite on KMC. You don't know whether killing is bad or good.
You like it when it suits you and hate it when it doesn't. You aren't pro-life, you're pro-self.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriMurder is murder. If you do a crime that can be labelled murder, you do the time.
This is why you're a hypocrite. You're pro-killing when it suits you but then you say murder is wrong etc.
Killing unintentionally isn't murder, euthanasia then...isn't murder. Murder is a very specific crime, not all killing is murder. However, if a woman is getting screamed at by her husband and she kills him, it's still murder. She struck him with intent to kill, with malice. She committed murder so she does the time for murder, simple as. You need to sort out your legal definitions before you go labelling things ok or not.
It wouldn't actually be murder.
Diminished responsibility or provocation manslaughter. Possibly even self-defence. Probable sentence- nothing.
Everyone should just stop mentioning murder.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Disgrace. You are without a doubt THE biggest hypocrite on KMC. You don't know whether killing is bad or good.You like it when it suits you and hate it when it doesn't. You aren't pro-life, you're pro-self.
-AC
You are just a pathetic idiot who thinks that women can just up and leave an abusive relationship, but you are very much wrong. Do you think all the women who kill their abusive husbands wanted to kill them? Of course not, they wanted to leave, but felt they had no choice but to kill in order to be free.
And this woman didn't commit murder, eithor, the law says she didn't, so shove it.