GalacticStorm
Smart Alec Know-It-All
Originally posted by demigawd
SW controls causality itself, as Xavier said in Excalibur. That means anything that falls in the realm of possibility (which is EVERYTHING) falls under the control of Wanda. Her power reached throughout the universe, altering past and present. As a side effect of her power, she inadvertently tore open a hole between realities, and her power leaked through it, caused all kinds of destruction that collapsed countless universes (read the HoM issues of Uncanny X-men for details). The hole needed to be repaired or Wanda would have accidentally destroyed the multiverse - a greater feat of power than had ever been seen in the Marvel Universe.GalacticStorm will probably come in and tell you some bullshit about chaos waves. Don't listen to him. Nobody does. Right, Whirly?
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Do you know what, i really cant wait for Wandas bio to come out in about 6 months to finally shut down your House of M delusions.
With that out of the way lets gets started.
Wanda may control causality, but she has not been shown to have total control of causality. Thats the crux of the matter. Youre getting too excited over what such an ability could entail and forgetting to acknowledge the limits she has shown in applying said ability. Wanda said she couldnt singlehandedly control the process of bringing about the house of m reality. It actually came about with the support of her brother and the power of Xavier to co-ordinate the application of her power as stated on panel. On her own House of M wouldnt have been able to happen as she stated as such that point is not debatable.
In fact we dont even conclusively know she warped 616 in its entirety as opposed to earth 616 and any and all events and races tied to its history. Nowhere is it stated that Wanda warped the entire universe. Nowhere. The only mention anywhere of the extent of the reality warping is in Uncanny X-men 462 by Roma:
Find somewhere where it conclusively states Wanda warped 616 in its entirety and you can have that point. Until then with no specific description of the extent of the alteration anywhere in House of M but Romas above then it was nothing but global. She warped 616 and everything tied to its history she could affect.
As a result of Wandas manipulations a hole was tore through the walls which separate reality. A chaos wave then began to spill through which if left unchecked would have reached other realities and could potentially have ended up collapsing the multiverse. Whether the chaos wave was a leakage of Wandas power generated in 616 or a spark initialised by the disruption of 616s dimensional barrier is never cleared up. The above scene where its described is open to interpretation, its ambiguous as such no side can claim their interpretation to be the correct one without an on panel statement supporting it as so. Result of Wandas amateur tamperings or the leakage of Wandas power from 616 into other realities who knows? Either way nothing on that matter can be drawn from the scene and treated as fact in debate. Please understand that.
You've also stated that it leaked into other realities and collapsed them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say thats poor recollection after a very hectic work schedule my friend. Us JLAKMC are beyond lying of course. 🙂
Either way you're wrong on 2 points. The wave only ever affected Otherworld and while it disrupted reality there in short bursts it far from collapsed it. As shown on panel. Please show me a reference describing how another reality was affected. We both know thats an impossibility so it aint gonna happen.
Also it sounds as if your treating the POTENTIAL destruction the chaos wave COULD have caused as a feat. Ummm how does that work out?
Youre wrong to do that for a number of reasons:
The chaos wave got stopped long before by a few mutants and Juggernaut.
The chaos wave isnt conclusively generated by Wanda as opposed to being set off by Wanda. (Regardless of your opinion please dont reply with a long list of reasons as to why you think it was generated by her, ive heard it all before and its irrelevant as its not conclusively stated in the few scenes where Roma actually describes the chaos wave)
So Wanda has no definitive feat outside of warping 616 or at least Earth 616. In fact she never even warped 616 reality as opposed to imposing a veil of reality as it were on top of 616. As shown by Lalyla Miller.
If we were to argue as if it was canon just for debating purposes, Wandas reality warp affect gradually leaking from universe to universe does not equate her to a multiversal power. Its only a leak. Theres no evidence to conclusively show she could generate this energy and apply it across the universes of the multiverse simultaneously. She hasnt demonstrated such multiversal range. It was a leak of the energies she generated in 616 which Roma speculated could spill over from universe to universe if allowed to. It wasnt. It got stopped by a band of mutants. Thats multiversal in potential destructive range not power.The other universes wouldnt have been totally warped they would have collapsed as a result of said energies spilling over into them. It was a domino effect. Not an effect consciously applied and maintained simultaneously across the multiverse. So while the chaos wave had the potential to in the end be one of the most destructive events seen in Marvel. It certainly wouldnt have been a feat as Wanda never generated it and applied it. It was just a spillover, that would have gone from universe to universe if left unchecked. Thats strictly universal level.
Phoenix has applied its power simultaneously across the entire multiverse to connect all the universes within an energy matrix as detailed by Merlyn in Excalibur. Phoenix has held 616 in her hand and manipulated it consciously on a sub atomic level.Even If we were attributing the chaos wave to Wandas it still doesnt match up as its just a spill over , not a conscious application across the multiverse and theres nothing to suggest she could so that.
