Darth Vader vs Superman

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'll try to keep this simple:

In the movies and comics, yes we are able to see Superman move. This proves that he can move at a normal (sub-light) speed. We also see Vader move, so he can move at a normal speed as well.

The difference is that in the movie and comics we have seen Superman move at light speed (numerous times in the comics and he did fly fast enough to reverse time in the damn movie!). Vader doesn't have a similar showing ANYWHERE.

What have we proven?
Superman can move as fast as a normal human
So can Vader

Superman can move at the speed of light
Vader can't

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Exactly.

Vader is a statue compared to Superman.

Superman's reaction times are so fast that Vader isn't actually moving in comparison.

Vader is dead.

Originally posted by TheKahn
So let me get this straight: Pion finds how the blasters work out of a Star Wars book that states how the weapons work, I and others point out that neither the blasters or Vader could be moving at light speed as you can see them move, and you haven't shown any proof to prove your contention...

But were just suspose to take you un-proven theory that Vader can move at light speed??? 😕

I've stated my proof. They are lazers. Your only arguments against this have proven to be the efforts of grasping, and that they could be seen. My counter argument was that seeing them was merely the directors choice. We can see phazer beams on star trek, yet those are implied to be of light speed. My other counter argument to this was that even if the blasters didn't move at the speed of light, there is still the fact about pre-cog.

Yeah, but really, every source says that its a heated particle beam made from gas and is NOT a laser. It doesn't matter if Lucas said it or not. Bobba Fett died in the Sarlac pit according to Lucas, but its generally agreed that he's still alive and kicking elsewhere and I've yet to meet someone who doesn't think thats the way it is.

Also, Han shot first.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I've stated my proof. They are lazers. Your only arguments against this have proven to be the efforts of grasping, and that they could be seen. My counter argument was that seeing them was merely the directors choice. We can see phazer beams on star trek, yet those are implied to be of light speed. My other counter argument to this was that even if the blasters didn't move at the speed of light, there is still the fact about pre-cog.

Your definition of what a laser is isn't the same as what George Lucus' Company and the Starwars universe have STATED a blaster is. They are different and work different.
Again, official explanitions >>>>>>>>>>>>> theories of fans

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
And Superman has recently travelled several times faster than light.

When did he do this?

Just how do all comic and movie showings support him as well. 5 minutes ago, you were merely stating that we don't know what speed the blasters move at, yet know, you are acting as if you've known all along. You only cling to this booklet as proof of the blasters speed. I simply don't take this starwars booklet as proof, because books like these have been made before, and were hardly ever accurate. And slower than bullets? Ha!

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Just how do all comic and movie showings support him as well. 5 minutes ago, you were merely stating that we don't know what speed the blasters move at, yet know, you are acting as if you've known all along. You only cling to this booklet as proof of the blasters speed. I simply don't take this starwars booklet as proof, because books like these have been made before, and were hardly ever accurate. And slower than bullets? Ha!

Thats right. 5 minutes ago I didn't know. Pion provied PROOF that fits all of the showings and you didn't. So now I and everyone else knows that the blasters don't move at the speed of light. Unless you have some proof??? 🙄

Originally posted by Private Pion
Yeah, but really, every source says that its a heated particle beam made from gas and is NOT a laser. It doesn't matter if Lucas said it or not. Bobba Fett died in the Sarlac pit according to Lucas, but its generally agreed that he's still alive and kicking elsewhere and I've yet to meet someone who doesn't think thats the way it is.

Also, Han shot first.

What do you mean "every source"? You've simply pointed out one. And I assume that the part claiming that it was slower than a bullet was personally your part of the reply. Since this thread is not limited to the restrictions of canon, Boba Fett is alive. You see, Lucas had approved of the game "Jedi Academy", which featured Boba Fett as one of the Bosses. I think that this booklet you have access to was only approved in being made by the Lucas name, just so the author wouldn't be sued.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Just how do all comic and movie showings support him as well. 5 minutes ago, you were merely stating that we don't know what speed the blasters move at, yet know, you are acting as if you've known all along. You only cling to this booklet as proof of the blasters speed. I simply don't take this starwars booklet as proof, because books like these have been made before, and were hardly ever accurate. And slower than bullets? Ha!

They're slower than bullets, which is why HAN can bloody dodge 'em. You don't need Pre-cog at all, just good reflexes.

Blasters shoot superheated molecues, which are physical matter. Very, very hot, physical matter.

Also, lightsabres are exactly the same as blasters, except they are maintained, via their crystals rather than the sudden burst of gas. They're molecules that contain amazing heat levels. They are not. And never where, will be or are at all, light.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Thats right. 5 minutes ago I didn't know. Pion provied PROOF that fits all of the showings and you didn't. So now I and everyone else knows that the blasters don't move at the speed of light. Unless you have some proof??? 🙄

But it wasn't proof. It was merely a booklet authorized by a fan, that had gotten Lucasarts to approve, just so he wouldn't be sued. These kinds of books are made all of the time, and are hardly ever accurate. Therefore, like nearly every bit of info provided here, is merely speculation. Besides, from what it seems, the blaster, seeming to move just like a phazer, moves at light speed.

Another thing I had picked up. According to Lucas, Boba Fett had died in the Starwars films. Yet if we look at what is Lucas approved(yes, not the whole team), Lucas had approved of the Jedi Knight series which takes place after the Starwars films, which features Boba Fett. So this argument about the booklet is debunked.

Okay, here are some facts, love them or hate them :

- Darth Vader (DV) does NOT move faster than light. He barely moves as fast as let's say Batman or Captain America - and I am being generous here.

- DV has NO (true) precog, he only has vague telepathic abilities (if you want to call a "I feel a disturbance in the force" pre cog, be my guest)

- DV can throw his mental/half telepathic tricks through the window, they won't work. Much more powerful telepaths have tried to enslave Superman, but they didn't know about the extremely powerful willpower Superman possesses.

- Superman is literally thousands times faster than DV. He can do whatever he wants with DV before DV even realizes he is under attack.

- DV can not block a heat ray from Superman, nor can he block his ice-breath.

- Superman can throw a mountain at DV, and DV couldn't do a thing about it.

- Superman can totally thrash DV in one second, he'll move so fast DV will seem to react in slow motion.

- The Force is not the same as magic. And even if it were, so ? Big deal.

- Last but not least, DV is an old man wearing a protective suit that has to keep him alive, with rather vague telepathic powers, a few mental tricks, low telekinetic powers and a sharp sword. Superman outclasses DV in every physical way by a factor 10.000.

Originally posted by Private Pion
They're slower than bullets, which is why HAN can bloody dodge 'em. You don't need Pre-cog at all, just good reflexes.

Blasters shoot superheated molecues, which are physical matter. Very, very hot, physical matter.

Also, lightsabres are exactly the same as blasters, except they are maintained, via their crystals rather than the sudden burst of gas. They're molecules that contain amazing heat levels. They are not. And never where, will be or are at all, light.

Dodging is almost always the result of poor aim. Otherwise, we would have seen far less stormtroopers being hit by blaster bolts.

I had never said the same about lightsabers. I had merely stated that it would be able to cut through Superman, due to it being able to cut through doors within the megaton and gigaton range.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
But it wasn't proof. It was merely a booklet authorized by a fan, that had gotten Lucasarts to approve, just so he wouldn't be sued. These kinds of books are made all of the time, and are hardly ever accurate. Therefore, like nearly every bit of info provided here, is merely speculation. Besides, from what it seems, the blaster, seeming to move just like a phazer, moves at light speed.

Simply dismissing APROVED information because you don't agree isn't proof. Show one Lucas approved verion of your theory on how the blasters work. If you can't, well then we'll all just have to go with the approved info.

Well said who?-kid 🤘

how is this still going on ?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Simply dismissing APROVED information because you don't agree isn't proof. Show one Lucas approved verion of your theory on how the blasters work. If you can't, well then we'll all just have to go with the approved info.

Don't have to for two reasons. One: This booklet wasn't actually created by Lucas and his whole team. It was merely approved in terms of creation, just so Lucasarts could get a profit. You name one time this theory of blasters being described by Lucas and his whole team. If you can't, then this point about the booklet remains moot. Two, it's well accepted by definition within science fiction.

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
how is this still going on ?

I'm quite the stubborn one, and I simply don't see anything that proves Superman would beat Vader. Superman beating Vader is like the Yankees winning the world series: Just because he has a wide range of good superpowers, it doesn't mean that he stands a chance at winning.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I'm quite the stubborn one, and I simply don't see anything that proves Superman would beat Vader. Superman beating Vader is like the Yankees winning the world series: Just because he has a wide range of good superpowers, it doesn't mean that he stands a chance at winning.

Try reading the other posts... 😛

Originally posted by TheKahn
Try reading the other posts... 😛

Well since I've refuted just about everything here, that really doesn't help 😮

Anyway, I've g2g.

I'll be back later.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Well since I've refuted just about everything here, that really doesn't help 😮

Anyway, I've g2g.

I'll be back later.

You've not refuted the fact that Vader is millions of times slower than Superman and thus can do nothing to react to him or attack him.

In the first splitsecond of the fight, Vader is dead.

🙂