Darth Vader vs Superman

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'll agree with you on the speed of the blasters as soon as you disprove Pions Offical explanition

1. I take that to mean you couldn't find a example of Vader using Force Lighting.

2. She uses chemicals not telepathy.

3. The problem is that it isn't strong enough to choke Superman (as the Force "magic" would count as a weakness to Superman). The Force Choke is basically a form of telekinsesis and Vader simply can't exert enough force to choke Superman. Remember that Superman's body has survived the tremendious forces of a nuclear explotions and black holes. Unless you are arguing that Vader can create forces stonger than thoes, the Force Choke wouldn't hurt Superman.

4. Doesn't mean that it would cut through Superman's bio-electric aura.

So, Vader is going to beat Superman with his intellegence and, umm, tactics??? I've shown that none of Vader's powers would hurt Superman. Superman geting touched by any villian that can't move at the speed of light is PIS. If Superman used all of his abilities in every fight, then there would only be a hand full of villians who wouldn't get beat in a fraction of a second.

Yet his explanation isn't official. It's merely one that had made money.

1. And I take it that you found no way of disproving my counter argument in that he could use it?

2. And the force isn't considered mere telepathy. If it were, there would be far more users within the SW universe who would have access to it. You were saying something along the lines that Superman's will was too strong to be taken over by a mind trick.

3. But it isn't telekenesis, it doesn't really even have the same properties, because telekenesis is not restricted to weak and strong minds. The force is channled off of universal energy. It is not restricted to one's mind. These assumptions of Vader's abilities grow tiring. Fact is, the force matches the same definition of magic, therefore has the same properties, therefore, Superman wouldn't have a strong resistance against it.

4. Uh, yeah it does. He nearly died from the mere conccussion of a nuke in DKR, and in Kingdome Come, he drew blood from a sword, that had a few magical properties.

5. No, you haven't. All you've done is tell me that Superman is too strong to be effected by the force. That's it. Unlike me, you didn't bother offering any comparisons that support your theory. And you keep putting off this force lightning argument by using the fallacious theory that Vader wouldn't be able to use it, because his hands are inorganic. PIS? According to this forums definitions, is something of the similar happens quite often, it's not PIS. Parasite is one of Superman's main villains😉, and yes, he has gotten ahold of Superman far more than once. If anything is PIS, it's Superman moving at lightspeed or having a blood lust. Supes is a softy, and would not win.

Here's Supes easily taking a nuke

Superman pulls Dominus into a physic arena where he can manipulate reality (meaning mind isn't some where you want to get into)
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Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.
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This is the kind of durability that Vader's choke hold would have to over come: Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts
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Oh, so Vader is this fast??? Funny how he's never shown it.
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Vader has a cooler voice, and better acting. I say he wins.

Darth-Kenshin...

You keep saying that Vader will be able to react to Superman's speed, simply because he's defected laser shots before....

This is ludicrous. Anyone at all could deflect a blaster shot if they had the right tool and knew the line the laser was going to travel along.

Pre-Cog let's him know where the laser is going to be, so he doesn't need to move fast.

But this doesn't help him at ALL against Superman.

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Because Superman, unlike a blaster shot, does NOT travel along a set course.

He can CHANGE his course AT WILL.

He can SEE Vader moving in SLOW MOTION.

NOTHING that Vader can do will suprise him.

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Think of it this way.

You are standing above a snail.

The snail (which has pre-cog), knows you are about to strike in a second.

Does it stand a chance of moving out of the way?

No.

It doesn't have the speed necessary.

Vader is NOT lightspeed. He can just tell the line upon which the blaster shots are going to travel.

And because the Blaster shots travel along a set line, he can position his lightsabre in front of them a second before the shot is actually released.

Superman will NOT be travelling along a set trajectory.

And any movement that Vader makes in terms of positioning his lightsabre to attack, will be seen in slow motion and avoided by Clark.

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Vader is a dead man.

He is outmaneuvered and out-powered in this fight.

You're pitting a cripppled old man, with low-level telekineses and a sword....

Against someone who can move as fast - or FASTER - than light...

Who has the strength to move entire WORLDS...

Who can turn invisible and intangible....

Who can hear a whisper from across the planet... and see across the entire universe...

Someone whose heat vision is hotter than the sun and can be fired with deadly accuracy even from orbit....

Someone who cannot be hurt by any physical force.... lightsabre or otherwise.... that doesn't involve magic or kryptonite....

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Can you not see the absolute ludicrousness of your argument....?

Spiderman has pre-cognition that surpasses Darth Vader's.... along with TEN times the strength (at least) and far greater agility....

Do you think Spiderman would stand a chance against Superman? 😆

Superman wins this fight 10/10.

And very very easily at that.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
1. bash[/smilie [smilie]blowup Wow, it just never ends. I fired nearly every bit of proof onto the floor. The puzzle fits perfectly, yet still you choose to say that Superman wouldn't be hurt, because he wouldn't. And I'm getting accussed of being a fanboy? I even go so far as to provide similar events of Supes being trounced, yet no luck. Even all of you're tones of posting are beginning to seem somewhat hostile. My gut says this thread will be locked soon..

Proof 😆 What proof? 😆 Well for one thing, he took on worse about at least a hundred folds over your proof.

2. Jedi Mind trick isn't telepathy. Ivy used kryptonite, so that Superman wouldn't be immune to the poisons of the toxin, to which the minor effects allow mind control. All of that stuff about will power, didn't help out Superman in the end. And by the way, Superman does NOT have the strongest will power in the DCU. His is not even as great as Batman's..

And still, it's not telepathy. next...

Jedi Mind trick is basically telepathy. The procedure of how SW does it might be different but it's still basically telepathy. And if Jabba the hut can resist it, what more of the despero tp-resisting superman.

3. Manipulation of natural forces fall under the definition of magic, which has beaten Superman more times than one could shake a stick at. And yet, another person who chooses to grasp for straws..

Uhmm....no it doesn't. Not unless it's SW universe where magic doesn't even exists.

4. They have always been so. Read up on the starwars books. It's stated after the ROTJ series.

Except that there wasn't unless it's canonity questionable EU or comics or SW books with different authors.

Darth-Kenshin...

You keep saying that Vader will be able to react to Superman's speed, simply because he's defected laser shots before....

This is ludicrous. Anyone at all could deflect a blaster shot if they had the right tool and knew the line the laser was going to travel along.

Pre-Cog let's him know where the laser is going to be, so he doesn't need to move fast.

But this doesn't help him at ALL against Superman.

Oh it doesn't? 😆 And let me guess why, because Supes is sooooooooooo powerful. Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that Superman can beat Dr. Strange or even the LT, as he'd been immune to anything they could divine. This is all I've seen you people do, you simply tell me Supes is too powerful and that his Super speed would catch Vader by surprise, despite you agreeing to Vader being able to deflect all blaster shots by pre-cog.

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Because Superman, unlike a blaster shot, does NOT travel along a set course.

He can CHANGE his course AT WILL.

He can SEE Vader moving in SLOW MOTION.

NOTHING that Vader can do will suprise him.

So just how is that relevant, when Vader can see that course ahead of time?

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Think of it this way.

You are standing above a snail.

The snail (which has pre-cog), knows you are about to strike in a second.

Does it stand a chance of moving out of the way?

No.

It doesn't have the speed necessary.

But does the snail have the ability to augment all physical abilities(force speed). I find this to be more complex than a snail versus a human being. There's also the fact of having force sight, and a mastery level of pre cog. This is more like trying to swat a fly, while having poor vision.

Can you not see the absolute ludicrousness of your argument....?

Oh yes, I see the light. How could I ever pit Vader against Superman. The guy is a god, and he can't be beaten. He always utilizes his abilities to his fullest, despite all of the times he has been made a fool of by Luthor, Batman, Toy man, you name it. All people who he could have used light speed against, yet chose not to. Superman can beat anyone or anything. He could beat the living tribunal in an arm wrestling contest, with both arms tide behind his back. How could I ever defy superman's godliness? Woe is me.

Spiderman has pre-cognition that surpasses Darth Vader's.... along with TEN times the strength (at least) and far greater agility....

Do you think Spiderman would stand a chance against Superman? 😆

You mention Spiderman too, and then ask me if he could beat Supes? Well Superman is a god, and can beat the specter, and can destroy anything else in existance, and can match a round house kick from chuck norris, so no.

This has gotten out of hand though, don't you agree?

Man, and here I thought Batman fans were the worse.

ok my last post. sorry if i become to agressive since you're a bit new here and i'm cranky at the moment, but for the love of god, please please read a superman comic and compare it with Vader.

Its not that Vader isn't any good (in the starwars universe he is near the top) but Superman just has so many more impressive strength, speed, and durability feats. I mean aside from blocking thoes shots, he really hasn't demonstrated any real speed feats (when compared to a guy who reguarlies flys near the speed of light). Vader just doesn't have the power set needed to put Superman down (few people do). Against the more street level guys of Marvel and DC he'd do a lot better.

And still, it's not telepathy. next...

Jedi Mind trick is basically telepathy. The procedure of how SW does it might be different but it's still basically telepathy. And if Jabba the hut can resist it, what more of the despero tp-resisting superman.

Nope, it isn't telepathy. Telepathy comes from means of an extra sense developed within the mind. The force is not. Even people with low intelligence have access to telepathy within the comic book universe. The force goes by a strong mind vs a weak mind. Try again? And by the way, Jabba the hut is force resistant due to his species, not a development of the mind. Just as Watto being of a certain species is. There is even a creature within the SW universe completely immune to the force, called the ysarlmi. Supes is none of the above.

Uhmm....no it doesn't. Not unless it's SW universe where magic doesn't even exists.

Ummm, yes it does. Same properties, same mechanics.

Except that there wasn't unless it's canonity questionable EU or comics or SW books with different authors.

Different authors eh? Ok, fine, sure. Oh wait, doesn't Superman get new writers all of the time. Ooops, that's not good for Superman is it? We might as well say he can only leap a tall building, and move faster than a speeding bullet.

Yet Supes rarely even moves at the speed of light or sound, nor he is really willing to kill, or rely on tactics against an oppponent weaker than himself. THAT's why I said Darkseid would beat Vader, and maybe even Zod could do the same.

But according to the rules of this forum

"Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."

So you have to take his superspeed into account.

Ill just say this. In the Starwars universe, The Force as a whole IS considered magic. Now with the mindtricks, its a bit iffy. Yes it can be resisted by stronger minded people or beings. However, going by the movies, only Luke and Qui-gon were resisted if my memory serves me correctly. Although everything with the force depends on whos more powerful and focused. Ani said that he couldnt mind trick Padme cause she was too strong minded, yet Palps was mind manipulating her through Ep1.

Theres no doubts that Supes is much faster than Vader, but he does posses the ability to see the near future. Can he predidct every Superman move? Probably. Will he always be able to do something about it? Ofcourse not. It all depends on what Superman does imo. Same goes for Vader.

Vaders best bet would be a force choke or crush. I dont have any doubts that the lightsaber can cut through Supes. Supermans best bet would be to speedblitz and hope it doesnt get countered. If he lands a powerfull enough hit, he ko's Vader. This fight CAN be up in the air. It all depends on what each person does.

Originally posted by TheKahn
But according to the rules of this forum

"Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."

So you have to take his superspeed into account.

Yet Supes himself stated that he wouldn't move that fast, in fear of moving so fast as to killing his foe. And according to the other part of the rules, that is simply out of characters. Wally west doesn't clock each of his opponents from the start, because is arrogant, and like Spiderman, loves the fight to be somewhat interesting(basically, he likes to show off). Supes is not a show boater. He has different reasons for why he won't use such speeds. Reasons that come down to his personality, accepted by all of his writers. Unlike Flash's arrogance. Plus, the forum rules also don't allow an explicit amount of knowledge for the characters. Superman could know that Vader rules the galaxy, uses some mystic power called the force, and has a lightsaber. That's it.

And then we have this whole assumption that Vader's pre-cog wouldn't be good enough to predict Supes. Vader has only lost to his own son, that's all. His pre-cog has always given him the upper hand on all other occassions.

Also, there's the fact that Vader wouldn't even have to be in the same room to defeat Superman. If Superman came to challenge him, Vader would eventually see him on a holo net, and could immediately use force choke.

Vader has made babies before with his wife. Superman hasn't. Vader wins.

i cant believe this is still going on....

Originally posted by inamilist
i cant believe this is still going on....

I know it's completely and utterly pathetic with darth-kenshin hanging futilely on the notion that vader can somehow beat supes .

This is why SW is banned in this part f the forum though , you should have seen the darth vader versus doom thread they had up a while back . Alpha Centurai was going head to head with fistofthenothstar. It was awesome.

This thread is a joke and an insult to Superman.
Vader loses horribly.
Supes 10/10

it insults all supes worked for