Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude Venom won. Those are how the fight went. Could I argue with you why it happened, hell no, but that was the point I was trying to make.
sorry for the typos
not really, He does get beat plainly. But from this and many other different scenarios I have come to realize that though we give estimations on these forums, it really isn't up rto any of us who wins. Comic books are to far away from logic that no one can really predict the outcome of any of these fights. Its a work of fiction, no more. There had been to much PIS in comics for anything to really to be judged. Its basically a more adult oriented version of DBZ. I have seen so many arguements on these forums over fictional characters. And many of the fights that come up are ridiculous. I to argue, but just for fun and to find out information I didn't know before. There really is no way to judge what happens based on logic because the very characters in these forums defy it. Its funny to see people argue over the postion of Precrises characters when in one comic, they move through time, and then in another they fight cowboys, dinosaurs, and school kids. Comics are really undebatable and should be until occurrences. To much as happened that many regard to be PIS,CIS for logic to be applied. My opinion is people are looking for logic in a book where there is none.
You've posted that thing a zillian times all around the forums already. It's our ability as nerds to have a feel of what a character can and can't do then judge them accordingly.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
If you see something other than a loss, your lying to youself. If I showed that to a kid on the street , he will not claim juggernaut won.
I'm sure if you showed him a picture of Magneto "killing" Phoenix and then getting decapitated by Wolverine that kid would say Magneto beat Phoenix then got killed by Wolverine.
Or if you showed that kid a picture of Scarlet Witch with children he'd think Scarlet Witch had children.
Or if you showed him a picture of Deadpool getting the back of his head blown out by Cable he'd say Cable just killed Deadpool.
But he'd be wrong because that kid knows nothing about the characters or the plot. He doesn't know that Magneto ended up being Xorn's brother or Scarlet Witch created those children out of thin air or that Deadpool has obscene regeneration powers.
My point is that though I love comics, their really is no way to judge. The writers are going to put what they want despite logic. Logically, Jugs should have smeared Venom on the wall with the first punch but it did not happen. My point is that comics are is a world of there own. Sure there they are point when feats are showed many times for the reader to form an opinion, but there is just as much PIS also. I understand the good that comes from these forums because they put a logical spin on a scenario. My point is , in fights like the venom, juggs the logic was not there. Yes jugs was hurt but he should have swatted venom like a fly. But this is not the only occurrence of PIS, its everywhere. What I'm sayign is that comics books are not that many notches from cartoons like dragonballz. Its all pretty illogical. For the many (like yourself) who complain and get upset. Realize the writers are not trying to appease logic but settle their bank accounts.
Hmm, This match is for the big boys.
I mean, come on. Venom is max 70 tons, Carnage max 75 tons and Toxin is little above them because his symbiote hasn't bonded with him permanently yet (Or has it?)
Symbiotes are very durable against physhical damage, just like Juggernaut and Hulk are. Hell, I'd even say their durability to punches and other blunt force trauma is nearly equal!
But Hulk and Juggernaut are just too tough to take out by physhical damage the symbiotes can dish out. I doubt Venom was beating Juggernaut's ass, but he didnt even try to. He just throwed Juggernaut around, Juggernaut wasnt able to do anything to him at this moment. Though something tells me, that this Juggernaut wasn't fully powered.
Same goes with the Superman fight, he was depowered. (at least his physhical strength).
The symbiotes have only small chance of killing or KOing the giants. Leading their symbiote tendrills through Hulk's and Juggernaut's noses and other "holes". Something tells me, that a tendril through Brain is enough to kill/KO even a Hulk Or at least turn him back to Banner. (Maybe even Wulberine 😮)
I doubt the symbitoes can work as a team so I'm giving this 9/1 (maybe 8/2 if the symbiotes can work properly together) for the brickheads.
I know I'm a biased symbiote fan, but I try to look from each perpective.
PS. Modern Juggs would lose to VEnom 😄
PSS. It's "good" to see that even senior member can be ***holes and so damm ignorant)
Originally posted by Big Sexy
My point is that though I love comics, their really is no way to judge...
Originally posted by samishe
To be honest he left because he didn't wanted to fight Venom, not because of the girl or cops.
And some assclown you killed earlier knocking you into the air is what makes you leave?
I'm sorry but that's just stupid. Juggernaut's not a stranger to getting knocked into the air. Hulk threw the guy into a cliff face and he still wanted to fight.
Anyone who knows Juggernaut knows he's got balls and will pretty much fight anyone regardless of who it is but he's also softhearted when it comes to the ladies and easily influenced by them. Screaming "I wasn't paid to take this kind of abuse!" then leaving is his bs way of getting out of there so he can cry while still looking like a tough guy.
To say Juggernaut left because he didn't want to fight is just ignorance of the character.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
While you're essentially rewording your minimally punctuated shpeal about what's illogical in comics you completely missed what I was talking about. It's not the fight itself I protest, although it is a sham. I will reiterate while replying to samshe.Let me get this straight. You're Juggernaut. The cops are there. If you get busted the X-Men will show up and beat you the same way they always do. Probably detain you. The girl you've now got a thing for is screaming for the fighting to stop. If you hurt this guy she'd hate you forever.
And some assclown you killed earlier knocking you into the air is what makes you leave?
I'm sorry but that's just stupid. Juggernaut's not a stranger to getting knocked into the air. Hulk threw the guy into a cliff face and he still wanted to fight.
Anyone who knows Juggernaut knows he's got balls and will pretty much fight anyone regardless of who it is but he's also softhearted when it comes to the ladies and easily influenced by them. Screaming "I wasn't paid to take this kind of abuse!" then leaving is his bs way of getting out of there so he can cry while still looking like a tough guy.
To say Juggernaut left because he didn't want to fight is just ignorance of the character.
It was obvious that Juggernaut left not because of the girl and there was nothing that proves that he really had some fealings for her. And I don't see any reason why should he leave because of the cops.
I detect a hint of spite.
Oh, well
My point was not made to be about the character, nor was it to start a problem. I know a lot about the character and I happen to like him more than venom but thats not the point. You show the basic flaw in many comic book readers. You take everything at its logical value. I take from both logical and base value. Thats why I enjoy shows like DragonballZ. The point is despite the characters previous showings, he gave no sign of being able to crush Venom. Stop making excuses. Your deluding yourself if you think you can explain those pics of Venom and Juggernaut. They can't be explained. I was joking earlier but you seem upset. I love comics for both its consistencies and inconsitencies. You answer to why it happened is bull considering Juggs has tangled with the likes of Thor and Hulk. My point was never the validity of the fight but the fact that it happened. There is no reason why which comes back to my point on logic. ✅
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I detect a hint of spite.Oh, well
My point was not made to be about the character, nor was it to start a problem. I know a lot about the character and I happen to like him more than venom but thats not the point. You show the basic flaw in many comic book readers. You take everything at its logical value. I take from both logical and base value. Thats why I enjoy shows like DragonballZ. The point is despite the characters previous showings, he gave no sign of being able to crush Venom. Stop making excuses. Your deluding yourself if you think you can explain those pics of Venom and Juggernaut. They can't be explained. I was joking earlier but you seem upset. I love comics for both its consistencies and inconsitencies. You answer to why it happened is bull considering Juggs has tangled with the likes of Thor and Hulk. My point was never the validity of the fight but the fact that it happened. There is no reason why which comes back to my point on logic. ✅
My point isn't the validity of the fight or whether he could or couldn't beat Venom. I can't just read the dialogue and disregard any dept to a character that's been around for 40 years. I'm not that naive.
I know Juggernaut likes to play the tough guy and will fight anyone. I know he easily and often falls for the ladies and they have quick influence over him. When I see Juggernaut walking away from a fight under his own power, something I can't remember him doing any other time, I have to take that character into consideration.
So no, I don't see Venom defeating Juggernaut. I see Juggernaut having other priorities on this occasion and leaving on some tough guy "this isn't worth my time"-esqe remark. I do see it as a loss for Juggernaut but not a win for Venom. A forfeit if you will.
Originally posted by samishe
It was obvious that Juggernaut left not because of the girl and there was nothing that proves that he really had some fealings for her. And I don't see any reason why should he leave because of the cops.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude, if you can look at that fight and claim Juggernaut lost because of the girl, then I feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If you read my post you would of saw the thing about the X-Men. And if you knew anything about Juggernaut you'd know about his thing with the ladies.
If you really know that much about Juggernaut you should know that he wouldn't live because of the some screaming b!tch and after sombody was throwing him around like that.
Originally posted by samishe
If you really know that much about Juggernaut you should know that he wouldn't live because of the some screaming b!tch and after sombody was throwing him around like that.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yeah, normally he'd fight Venom. Hell, he fought Cyttorak, his source of power. Someone who Odin was uneasy with the thought of fighting. But he's not so disrespectful to go around calling women bitches and disregarding them. He's like the guys from the 40's who want a swell dame to take care of them.
I still don't believe that short frase made him leave. It doesn't seem he heard it at all.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The reason most people don't like Dragonball Z isn't because of its inconsistancies or for being illogical. It's because the entire series is a repeating plotline with repeating fight sequences and it takes a dozen or so episodes to cover the span of 5 minutes.My point isn't the validity of the fight or whether he could or couldn't beat Venom. I can't just read the dialogue and disregard any dept to a character that's been around for 40 years. I'm not that naive.
I know Juggernaut likes to play the tough guy and will fight anyone. I know he easily and often falls for the ladies and they have quick influence over him. When I see Juggernaut walking away from a fight under his own power, something I can't remember him doing any other time, I have to take that character into consideration.
So no, I don't see Venom defeating Juggernaut. I see Juggernaut having other priorities on this occasion and leaving on some tough guy "this isn't worth my time"-esqe remark. I do see it as a loss for Juggernaut but not a win for Venom. A forfeit if you will.
If you read my post you would of saw the thing about the X-Men. And if you knew anything about Juggernaut you'd know about his thing with the ladies.
You know, at first I thought we disagreed, or misunderstood, because you had a unique view on things. I had no idea it was because you just looked at the pictures and didn't read any of the dialogue.
Now really, (I must admit I haven't read that comic in 4 years) but I see no sign during the fight to show that Juggernaut was distracted enough to let a class 30 hitter drop him. I see it more as a victory for Venom, but a bullshit one that should not have been written. But what can you do?