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Thrawn vs Revan
Thrawn Commands the Imperial Fleet, while Revan attacks with his Star Forge Fleet ( Shown at the end of Kotor if you choose the Dark Side ending). No Death Star nor Star Forge, nor any force powers
In this battle its soley mititary genius, so who wins? The Tactical Genius Revan or Thrawn?
Originally posted by w00t2112
You disregard, that Revan defeated a enormously superior Mandalorian Army that outnumbered and outgunned them...And its known that Revan' specialty was tactics in space battles...
you disregard, that Thrawn deafeated a superior new republic fleet that outnumbered and outgunned them...
And its known that Thrawn's specialty was everything.
Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedi
you disregard, that Thrawn deafeated a superior new republic fleet that outnumbered and outgunned them...And its known that Thrawn's specialty was everything.
Except the Republic in his time was weaker than Thrawn, and that the Mandalorian Warriors were Superior to the Republic Fleet...
Originally posted by Hello Friend
I believe the Mandalorians were outnumbered 5 to 1.And Revan had an unlimited army, along with 1/3 of the Republic fleet, and still couldn't pwn the Republic.
Gotta give it to Thrawn.
What are you talking about? Revan was decimating the Republic fleet until the Jedi Order captured him, and then Malak took his place and still pwned the Reoublic. The only way the Republic was winning was Bastila's Battle Meditation.
Speaking of which, in the Thrawn trilogy, I believe that much of Thrawn's success comes from Joruus C'Baoth's use of Battle Meditation. Revan did not have that ability and look how well he did. Revan takes this.
Originally posted by ArthasKnight
What are you talking about? Revan was decimating the Republic fleet until the Jedi Order captured him, and then Malak took his place and still pwned the Reoublic. The only way the Republic was winning was Bastila's Battle Meditation.Speaking of which, in the Thrawn trilogy, I believe that much of Thrawn's success comes from Joruus C'Baoth's use of Battle Meditation. Revan did not have that ability and look how well he did. Revan takes this.
When was Revan decimating the Republic fleet? He couldn't even think of attacking the core worlds (source: sith and republic soldiers on manaan) even with the unlimited army. Revan was a threat, as was Malak. That's why the Jedi had to capture/kill him.
His Empire was putting up a good fight with the Republic, but was not decimating them.
Originally posted by Hello Friend
I believe the Mandalorians were outnumbered 5 to 1.And Revan had an unlimited army, along with 1/3 of the Republic fleet, and still couldn't pwn the Republic.
Gotta give it to Thrawn.
The mandelorians were outnumbered in the final battle at the end of the war, that much is certain 10 to 1 according to Canderous. That however doesn't say much about the rest of the war, logic would dictate that they would be outnumbered. However they had 40 years of fighting experience superior weapons and shields that could stop blaster fire, things that the republic did not have.
Revan turned around the tide of the war, destroying the Mandelorians with indeed 1/3 of the Republic fleet, and he had to protect a large area with that fleet. Any general can tell you its easier to destroy an enemy that has a bigger force when your invading his country then it is to defend your country from an army with a smaller force, if the battles are wide spread at least, not like it matters really. Skill is more important then numbers anyways.
The unlimited army thing, yes he got an unlimited army, ships, droids, weapons, energy shields, armor, however he did not get unlimited troops. He started conquering the republic with a 3th of its fleet assuming every single Republic soldier that served under Revan during the Mandelorian wars joined him during the Sith wars. Then more people started joining his cause.
There were also a few reasons why the republic hadn't fallen yet. Bastila her battle meditation, battle meditation is very effective and important, it could turn the tide of entire battles and wars, to fight is hard. Still Revan won most battle's, Bastila gave the republic a few key victory's that helped them to survive. This is literally said in game.
Revan his fall from power, with Malak in command the republic had superior tacticians and could do far better however this time they were destroyed by sheer numbers.
Revan trying to keep the republic in tact, if you can't destroy what you attack and have to conquer everything it takes far more time and troops.
Just felt like clearing that up... The fight however is easily won by Thrawn as he has far superior technology and his fleet would destroy Revan his fleet. Revan his only chance is to act like a rebel and strike and run and strike and run, perhaps his force users would give him victory in a full out war that gives him a chance, however in one battle? He couldn't stand up to the power of SSD's and SD's.
Anyways, there are other reasons I picked Thrawn.
He managed to, with a portion of the Imperial fleet, nearly take the Republic, even when the Republic's forces were "a lot better trained and motivated than the Empire's".
Thrawn was battling tactical geniuses like Ackbar who worked for the New Republic. And he still was owning.
Thrawn was very unique in the way he studied all the species he fought. He'd study their artwork, their history, etc. Just to gain an idea of their thought process and the like. Might not make a difference here, but makes him seem like a very good admiral.
"The mandelorians were outnumbered in the final battle at the end of the war, that much is certain 10 to 1 according to Canderous. That however doesn't say much about the rest of the war, logic would dictate that they would be outnumbered. However they had 40 years of fighting experience superior weapons and shields that could stop blaster fire, things that the republic did not have."
The Republic would have it's fair share of technology and war heroes as well, but I agree with the better warrior parts. All Mandalorians loved war, and thus they were Warriors not Sodiers. To a soldier, war is hell, and you would want to end it as soon as possible. The Mandalorians loved the thrill. They loved killing. That's why I think they were so formidable.
Originally posted by Hello Friend
Anyways, there are other reasons I picked Thrawn.He managed to, with a portion of the Imperial fleet, nearly take the Republic, even when the Republic's forces were "a lot better trained and motivated than the Empire's".
Thrawn was battling tactical geniuses like Ackbar who worked for the New Republic. And he still was owning.
Thrawn was very unique in the way he studied all the species he fought. He'd study their artwork, their history, etc. Just to gain an idea of their thought process and the like. Might not make a difference here, but makes him seem like a very good admiral.
Not denying that, but this fight he wins because of technology, not because of tactical skill, its hard to guess who has that..
btw: There is evidence to suggest Revan did the same thing with his enemy's, of course he only had two so it couldn't have been that hard to do, but still... And Revan beat a tactical genius like Mandalore, Canderous and many other great Mandelorians in battle. Really its hard to say who will win in a real fight with equal weapons and troops if not impossible.
Originally posted by Fishy
Not denying that, but this fight he wins because of technology, not because of tactical skill, its hard to guess who has that..btw: There is evidence to suggest Revan did the same thing with his enemy's, of course he only had two so it couldn't have been that hard to do, but still... And Revan beat a tactical genius like Mandalore, Canderous and many other great Mandelorians in battle. Really its hard to say who will win in a real fight with equal weapons and troops if not impossible.
ishy, I am amzed because for once I agree with you! 😛
Originally posted by Fishy
The mandelorians were outnumbered in the final battle at the end of the war, that much is certain 10 to 1 according to Canderous. That however doesn't say much about the rest of the war, logic would dictate that they would be outnumbered. However they had 40 years of fighting experience superior weapons and shields that could stop blaster fire, things that the republic did not have.Revan turned around the tide of the war, destroying the Mandelorians with indeed 1/3 of the Republic fleet, and he had to protect a large area with that fleet. Any general can tell you its easier to destroy an enemy that has a bigger force when your invading his country then it is to defend your country from an army with a smaller force, if the battles are wide spread at least, not like it matters really. Skill is more important then numbers anyways.
The unlimited army thing, yes he got an unlimited army, ships, droids, weapons, energy shields, armor, however he did not get unlimited troops. He started conquering the republic with a 3th of its fleet assuming every single Republic soldier that served under Revan during the Mandelorian wars joined him during the Sith wars. Then more people started joining his cause.
There were also a few reasons why the republic hadn't fallen yet. Bastila her battle meditation, battle meditation is very effective and important, it could turn the tide of entire battles and wars, to fight is hard. Still Revan won most battle's, Bastila gave the republic a few key victory's that helped them to survive. This is literally said in game.
Revan his fall from power, with Malak in command the republic had superior tacticians and could do far better however this time they were destroyed by sheer numbers.
Revan trying to keep the republic in tact, if you can't destroy what you attack and have to conquer everything it takes far more time and troops.
Just felt like clearing that up... The fight however is easily won by Thrawn as he has far superior technology and his fleet would destroy Revan his fleet. Revan his only chance is to act like a rebel and strike and run and strike and run, perhaps his force users would give him victory in a full out war that gives him a chance, however in one battle? He couldn't stand up to the power of SSD's and SD's.
About your quote, on superior weaponry, that might not be neccessary true, eg. The Suncrusher is for more technologically powerful than the Death Star, able to denote Star Systems, imagine the Imperials having that...
Another Piece of techonogly is the Star Forge, it is many times more powerful Dark side Tech, as it can spawn unlimited battle droids and batlle ships, but since neither of those are included in this thread, then it can be assumed that Thrawn had superior fire power, but as proven, there were losses in techonology that was never recovered..