Thrawn vs Revan

Originally posted by Wesker
Uh, is everyone going to just ignore that KotOR era ships are smaller and weaker?

Provide proof that they are, most of the Kotor ships were forged from the darkside energies of the Star Forge, and comparing other factors, there is nothing to say, that the later ships were anymore advanced.

The Suncrusher, is practically indestructible, can donate Stars and somehow, the techonolgy 5000 years later, cannot reproduce something as deadly, the closest they got was the Death Star

THe Leviathan is the flagship of the Admiral in the Sith Fleet. It's alot smaller than a single ISD. The Empire has thousands of ISDs (25,000 I believe).

The Empire also had technology that further enhanced lasers, just recently developped in the Clone Wars. It's name eludes me however.

Originally posted by Wesker
Uh, is everyone going to just ignore that KotOR era ships are smaller and weaker?

No, stated that in all my posts as the reason Thrawn wins.

Originally posted by w00t2112

The Suncrusher, is practically indestructible, can donate Stars and somehow, the techonolgy 5000 years later, cannot reproduce something as deadly, the closest they got was the Death Star

Um... wasn't the suncrusher a prototype imerial superweapon from the Jedi Academy Trilogy? It was after both Revan and Thrawn.

Originally posted by docb77
Um... wasn't the suncrusher a prototype imerial superweapon from the Jedi Academy Trilogy? It was after both Revan and Thrawn.

Read TOTJ, The Suncrusher, was destroyed when kun used it to denate a star system, being on Yavin 4, however, we can deduce Kun had most likely, created prototypes of it.

I'm still not finding any references to Suncrusher pre-empire. I did find a reference to tales of the jedi saying that kun caused a star to go supernova, but I thought that was a force thing. Any idea where I can find TOTJ to see for myself?

Sadow created a ship, a ship that Kun gave to a weak Dark Jedi sith thing, that used it to make stars go supernova.

ah so this Suncrusher that we're talking about for this thread isn't the practically invincible one from JAT.

Well it got destroyed as the Sun went supernova, as most things would, being caught in the crossfire of an exploding sun.

I'm sure that you people all know that Imperials are very bad shooters in TIE Fighters, right? And in the space battle in KOTOR 1 at the end shows that Sith Fighters are much more skilled than the Imperials. I mean... the Imperials couldn't even hit the Millenium Falcon unless they're lucky, and Falcon's big compared to regular fighters.

But Imperial Star Destroyers have tiny turrets all lined up on their surface, but Sith Flagships have 20 lasercannons (seen in the bombardment of Taris, Knights of the Old Republic) all on one side, and could simply bombard Star Destroyers from the sides or above.

And yes. I know that Imperial Star Destroyers are huge compared to Sith Flagships. (Star Destroyer: 1200 metres, Sith Flagship: 600 metres: From info from Starwars.com), but it's not size that matters. I mean you all remember Hannibal right? Always remember that he defeated Roman armies much bigger than his. It's not numbers that win battles: Its the strategies of the leaders that wins battles.

I'm sure that you people all know that Imperials are very bad shooters in TIE Fighters, right? And in the space battle in KOTOR 1 at the end shows that Sith Fighters are much more skilled than the Imperials. I mean... the Imperials couldn't even hit the Millenium Falcon unless they're lucky, and Falcon's big compared to regular fighters.

And I'm sure you can judge two entire Empires' filled of pilots by seconds of cinematics, right? Keep in mind the Empire was ordered to keep the Rebels alive for a show for Luke. Not only that, the Empire has far greater numbers and far greater ships. Pilots are a variable, since there are tons of great Empire pilots in the EU.

But Imperial Star Destroyers have tiny turrets all lined up on their surface, but Sith Flagships have 20 lasercannons (seen in the bombardment of Taris, Knights of the Old Republic) all on one side, and could simply bombard Star Destroyers from the sides or above.

No. A single ISD can take over a dozen of Leviathan. Leviathan = 4 turbolasers, ISD = 60 turbolasers. And the Leviathan = flagship. The Executor or the Eclipse could probably take on dozens of Leviathans.

And their lasers do puny to Taris. They really couldn't hurt an ISD unless they use their small amount of Turbolasers.

And yes. I know that Imperial Star Destroyers are huge compared to Sith Flagships. (Star Destroyer: 1200 metres, Sith Flagship: 600 metres: From info from Starwars.com), but it's not size that matters. I mean you all remember Hannibal right? Always remember that he defeated Roman armies much bigger than his. It's not numbers that win battles: Its the strategies of the leaders that wins battles.

1600 metres, actually. A flagship being nearly 10 tens that. And 25,000 of them too.

Plus, Thrawn is the greatest military tactician the galaxy's ever seen... the Empire wipes its ass with Revan.

Empire has bad pilots? Tell that to Baron Fel and Kasan Moore.

Here's some proof on the empire's massive fleet superiority: Let's compare flagships...the Leviathan had...four turbolaser batteries. Four. The STANDARD Imperial class Star Destroyer has 100...plus. The Leviathan has two ion cannons...the standard imperial class star destroyer has twenty. The Leviathan has twenty quad laser cannons, the Imperial class star destroyers have eight octuple turrents.

The Leviathan is 600 meters...the Imperial Star Destroyer is 1,600. The Imperial Star Destroyer has massively powerful plating and two shield generators.

And that sun destroying ship of Sadow's? Well, ever hear of the Suncrusher of the Maw Installation? Sadow's ship destroying the Denarii didn't even touch a planet...Palpatine's Sun Crusher could destroy an entire solar system. And for every Leviathan style cruiser? Thrawn has two hundred of them with more firepower.

Thrawn could also detect Revan's strategies, likely obsolete by Thrawn's time by seeing any of Revan's old finger paintings and considering his deduction for Honoghr and the Katana Fleet...it's a matter of time before he figures out the Rakata issue. And that's not even taking into account Thrawn's influence with the Chiss and the Empire of the Hand

Revan....he could fight blade to blade....Thrawn's good though

Originally posted by Julie
Revan....he could fight blade to blade....Thrawn's good though

If this were close quarter combat Thrawn would be massacred 😉

But since it is a tactical battle, with Thrawn having better technology, its hard one.

Revan COULD be the better tactician though (Echani precognition that rivalled those of the Echani elders... allowed him to foresee the outcome of wars)

I really don't see how Revan could be a better tactician than Thrawn. First off, in Survivor's Quest isn't Thrawn stated to be the greatest genius in galactic history?

Now, in the Thrawn Trilogy, Thrawn commanded a slice of the Imperial fleet and almost managed to conquer the Republic. And, as well the Republic was noted as something like "better trained and motivated", and I could see why as the Empire was in disorder.

Look at all the people was facing -- Ackbar, Derlin, Luke, Wedge. I mean really, he died thanks to his supposed "bodyguards", the Noghri, who assassinated him.

I would definitely say Thrawn would be able to best Revan with his sheer tactical brilliance, albeit Revan is quite the tactician himself, but what we've seen him do, IMO, doesn't stack up to what Thrawn had done with a hell of a lot less resources.

doesnt thiss belong in vrs forum

I thought it was Heir that stated Thrawn as the best. Either way.

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
doesnt thiss belong in vrs forum

How the hell do you mangle English this bad?

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
I thought it was Heir that stated Thrawn as the best. Either way.

It might've been actually. But, yeah, either way it doesn't matter too much.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
How the hell do you mangle English this bad?

"datsss wut ivanna no!11!"