Oh I'm sorry according to you Kun is only below Ragnos cough cough BS.
PROVE. UP. Your word is not canon, Goebbels. Lies repeated often enough do not become the truth.
I'm not arguing anything with Luke I'm just saying you exaggerate Kun's power..
Oh, really?
I'm by no means a Luke fanboy but NJO/DN Luke is talked about as having no equal except RagnosNo I don't doubt Ragnos would beat even the most powerful Luke. But without the exception of Ragnos everything else is a maybe.
You were saying?
By the way, if you think I exaggerate Kun's power, then prove it. Repeating the same bullshit often enough doesn't make it true.
Yes so let me go back and search all the threads where you stated that there's no proof that Kun is below Ragnos, or Luke, or any of the ancient sith.
Please do. I'll be delighted to see things I've never said.
Except for the fact that Kun is above Luke, of course.
Why don't YOU post all that information up since you've said it and you know where it's at.
Because I already have and you've... failed to provide evidence, logic, or reasoning. All you've added to the discussion is trolling.
Sorry Goebbels, that won't win you any debate.
Originally posted by tdtd
People like IKC enjoy star wars debates. It makes their day complete. Me on the other hand, I call them as I see them. Lightsnake was a Sidous fanboy and IKC is a Kun fanboy. This has been proven already, although the majority opinion is an illogical fallacy according to IKC
Argumentum ad Populum is a logical fallacy. Look up for yourself here.
I don't care if you think IKC is the biggest fanboy in the world, it's your job to establish why when you call him out on it.
Why? Because he downplays everyone's accomplishments while he exaggerates Kun's. When he downplays C'Baoth's accomplishment of controlling an entire armada of ships and the crew, and then saying that the Senate Chamber which Kun froze COULD have 1 million members, just because someone found a feat more impressive than Kun's. It's too easy to point out the fanboyism and the speculation/hyperbole on his part.
Originally posted by tdtd
Why? Because he downplays everyone's accomplishments while he exaggerates Kun's. When he downplays C'Baoth's accomplishment of controlling an entire armada of ships and the crew, and then saying that the Senate Chamber which Kun froze COULD have 1 million members, just because someone found a feat more impressive than Kun's. It's too easy to point out the fanboyism and the speculation/hyperbole on his part.
No, the argument goes more like this:During the PT the Republic had 1 million member worlds and 50 million colony worlds, all of which had representation. Even non-government entities (for example, the Trade Federation) had representation in the Senate. Even if we assume membership/colony numbers to be but a fraction during TSW to the PT numbers, that's still multiple millions of members. One million is a safe low number to assume.
Ergo, because Kun froze said members and then proceeded to pick the chancellor up and use him as a puppet, then effortlessly cleave Vodo in half, Kun's feat is more impressive than Joruus who had only planned to control a fraction of the amount of people Kun froze and who was doing nothing else.
As well, there's nothing to lead us to assume that the number of people Kun froze in the Senate is anywhere near his upper limit. The opposite can be assumed given he performed a variety of tasks apparently effortlessly while holding the members frozen.
QED.
You were saying?
I thought scans were definite, not that crap you spit out? The scan clearly shows there is no way that the chamber can hold a million people. This is YOUR logic not mind, so stick with it.. Thank you come again.
Actually, the scans show very clearly that the building portrayed is immense, far bigger than any buildings we have on Earth. Ergo, it can hold a million.
That and even if we go with your assumption that it's too small, that is overridden by the later Canon fact that the Republic had 1 million member worlds and 50 million colonies. Ergo, the above argument applies.
tdtd, you're just making yourself look worse. IKC is a far more respected member around here then you'll probably ever be. Calling him a fanboy without providing any actual proof doesn't mean anything to anyone.
IKC:
No, the argument goes more like this:
During the PT the Republic had 1 million member worlds and 50 million colony worlds, all of which had representation. Even non-government entities (for example, the Trade Federation) had representation in the Senate. Even if we assume membership/colony numbers to be but a fraction during TSW to the PT numbers, that's still multiple millions of members. One million is a safe low number to assume.
Have you forgotten that not every planet had Senators at Coruscant all of the time? Padme was going there in ep3 for the first time in a very long time. To assume that she is a sole case of this is not a wise thing to do. Also note that very few, if any of those 50 million colony worlds have a seat in the Senate. The colony worlds were represented by the member planets in the same system. Furthermore, if we assume a steady rate of expansion, the republic would have about 775,000 planets during Exar's time. As I stated before, not every planet has a representative in the Senate at all times. Looking at how big the Senate chamber is in ROTS, no way could more then 2 or 3 hundred thousand people fit in it. That's a little under half of how many were around, so not totally unreasonable. Therefor, Exar probably froze around 300,000 people at most. Not at least a million. QED.
Ergo, because Kun froze said members and then proceeded to pick the chancellor up and use him as a puppet, then effortlessly cleave Vodo in half, Kun's feat is more impressive than Joruus who had only planned to control a fraction of the amount of people Kun froze and who was doing nothing else.
As well, there's nothing to lead us to assume that the number of people Kun froze in the Senate is anywhere near his upper limit. The opposite can be assumed given he performed a variety of tasks apparently effortlessly while holding the members frozen.
QED.
Whoops, I forgot the rest of your post.
Ergo, because Kun froze said members and then proceeded to pick the chancellor up and use him as a puppet, then effortlessly cleave Vodo in half, Kun's feat is more impressive than Joruus who had only planned to control a fraction of the amount of people Kun froze and who was doing nothing else.
I'm going to have to call you on hyperbole. Exar did not kill Vodo with ease. Vodo got a hit on the back of Exar's hand with his staff, a hit that would have cut Exar's hand if half had Vodo been using a lightsaber.
Joruus, who no one is claiming equal to either Exar or DN Luke, was planning on controlling these people for an extended period of time. It was only when Joruus realized that he was going to have to control support craft for the Chimera AND control them for many days that he released that crew of the Chimera.
As well, there's nothing to lead us to assume that the number of people Kun froze in the Senate is anywhere near his upper limit. The opposite can be assumed given he performed a variety of tasks apparently effortlessly while holding the members frozen.
As well, there's nothing to lead us to assume that the number of people Joruus froze on the Cimera is anywhere near his upper limit. The opposite can be assumed given that he held a casual converation with Grand Admiral Thrawn while controlling the Chimera's Crew, as well as the fact that he was planning on controlling the people onboard the Chimera for an extended period of time. The only reason Joruus released the people on the Chimera was because he realized he was going to have to control them for many days, control tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of people on other ships in combat conditions. Such would be an impossible task even for Exar.
Have you forgotten that not every planet had Senators at Coruscant all of the time? Padme was going there in ep3 for the first time in a very long time. To assume that she is a sole case of this is not a wise thing to do.
To assume that most if not all senators were present is a huge fallacy, Glentract.
They were there to put Ulic Qel-Droma on trial after he attacked Coruscant. They believed him to be the true head behind this threat, only Vodo knew that Kun was the master. Ergo, it's safe to assume that most if not all Senators were present.
The colony worlds were represented by the member planets in the same system.
Nonsense, colony worlds did have representation. Indeed, even non-government entities had representation. To say that the Trade Federation gets delegates but entire planets do not is foolish.
Furthermore, if we assume a steady rate of expansion, the republic would have about 775,000 planets during Exar's time.
Perhaps member worlds. But colony worlds would be far higher.
As I stated before, not every planet has a representative in the Senate at all times.
But it's foolish to just assume, without proof, that they would not be present for the trial of a man who just attacked the Republic.
Looking at how big the Senate chamber is in ROTS, no way could more then 2 or 3 hundred thousand people fit in it
Oh please. Did you note how massive that chamber actually was? I could easily just say "looking at it, it must have held X million people."
That's totally subjective. So is what you're saying.
That's a little under half of how many were around, so not totally unreasonable. Therefor, Exar probably froze around 300,000 people at most. Not at least a million. QED.
Nonsense, because there's no proof that the members weren't there (indeed, the opposite is proper to assume) and the membership was enormous. 1 million is a safe low number.
I'm going to have to call you on hyperbole. Exar did not kill Vodo with ease. Vodo got a hit on the back of Exar's hand with his staff, a hit that would have cut Exar's hand if half had Vodo been using a lightsaber.
Nice job knowing what you're talking about, Glentract...
THIS IS TAKEN FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIGHT. That scan is from Kun's fight with Vodo on Dantooine when Kun was still an apprentice!
That is the fight in question. Vodo gets nowhere near Kun, who controls the fight for the duration. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Joruus, who no one is claiming equal to either Exar or DN Luke, was planning on controlling these people for an extended period of time. It was only when Joruus realized that he was going to have to control support craft for the Chimera AND control them for many days that he released that crew of the Chimera.
Yes, he was planning on it. And then, apparently when he realized that he couldn't do it, he didn't. So... this means jack shit, then.
As well, there's nothing to lead us to assume that the number of people Joruus froze on the Cimera is anywhere near his upper limit. The opposite can be assumed given that he held a casual converation with Grand Admiral Thrawn while controlling the Chimera's Crew, as well as the fact that he was planning on controlling the people onboard the Chimera for an extended period of time. The only reason Joruus released the people on the Chimera was because he realized he was going to have to control them for many days, control tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of people on other ships in combat conditions. Such would be an impossible task even for Exar.
True, but Exar's shown feat is on a much more massive scale than Joruus'. As well, since he was shown to do battle rather than merely talk, it appears it was easier for Kun to perform his action than Joruus' to perform his.
And don't claim it to be an impossible task for Kun. Kun's shown a greater use of the power with greater ease than Joruus ever showed us. Ergo, it's not logical to assume that Kun would be unable to perform what Joruus planned.
