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Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
There is speculation that gravity is as strong as the other forces at the Planck length. What If Kryptonians are capable of making a gravitational field that is comparable with magnetic field ?

Also what do you think is the mysterious Kryptonian power source ?

Ah, comic physics.

Originally posted by Mindship

Like many, I tend to favor the Sparkplug Hypothesis: that sunlight triggers a larger power source (zero-point is always nice; or hyperspace, the way Marvel uses it). When fed by sunlight, perhaps Supes' cells tap into quantum-foam wormholes for energy, sorta like sound waves causing high-temperature bubbles in sonoluminescence.

Ah, comic physics.

How would the Wormholes give him energy ?

Also doesn't the Kluza Klien theory predict a fifth force, a cross between the electro-magnetic and gravity force which is maybe an repulsive form of Gravity ?

Also I was also referring to M-theory. Gravity seeps into our universe and then seeps into Planck length higher Dimensions.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
How would the Wormholes give him energy ?

Also doesn't the Kluza Klien theory predict a fifth force, a cross between the electro-magnetic and gravity force which is maybe an repulsive form of Gravity ?

Here's a question. If the Hulk has constantly increasing strength, how can he interact with humanity ? At some point even the gentlest of touches will turn our bones to powder.

Well it only increases when he gets angry, and that's usually when he's fighting someone

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well it only increases when he gets angry, and that's usually when he's fighting someone

But his strength can't suddenly drop as soon as he has beaten/maimed/killed his enemy, rage takes time to dissapitate.

He often transforms back into Banner in just a few seconds

Originally posted by leonidas

4. what exactly is the power cosmic and from where does it come -- what is its source?

😄 ?

Does anyone else think that the power cosmic may in fact be Zero point energy, or the Dark energy in our universe. If you where able to control that you be able to mirror most of the powers associated with cosmic energy. For example, zero point energy is supposedly responsible for interia, and various electron and matter effects seen at the quantum level. If you controlled it you basically have control over matter.

Originally posted by Mindship
How the heck does hyperspace give some Marvel characters, like the Invisible Woman, energy? (God only knows) I'm figuring wormholes could connect Supes to DC hyperspace. In any event, this is why I like the vectored bioelectric-aura theory better. Simpler.

There maybe vasts amounts of energy found in curled up hyper Dimensions, but your right i prefer the manipulation of the quantum vacuum idea.

I think Suzanne's powers work in the same way that Dimensions can separate entire realities from one another(As predicted by M-theory). Maybe she's mentally able erect a Dimensional barrier that only lets light through ? Apparently the Dimensional barriers that separate entire universes let some particle permeate through them, such as gravitons, maybe Suzanne's Dimensional barriers are impermeable to everything but light?

I think Superman's Bio-electrical aura should be changed to a bio electrical plasma one. Michu Kacku recently stated that Invisible Force fields would be possible with plasma controlled by Magnetic fields. Maybe Superman's cells are surrounded with plasma fields that are controlled by intense bio electrical magnets. Maybe he has some sort of Super Conductive biological membrane that creates intense magnetic fields.

Zero - point energy was debunked a while ago - it exists, but it's completely inconsequential.

Also, no known phenomena would be able to account for the Power Cosmic abilities that have been shown.

Lots of things in comics (and fiction in general) simply don't have a real - life explanation. That's why it's fiction.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Zero - point energy was debunked a while ago - it exists, but it's completely inconsequential.

Wrong ! Look up Cosmic Inflation and you'll see what i mean.

Also I don't know how many mmore times I have to post this article before people take notice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1559579/Physicists-have-%27solved%27-mystery-of-levitation.html

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Also, no known phenomena would be able to account for the Power Cosmic abilities that have been shown.

Lots of things in comics (and fiction in general) simply don't have a real - life explanation. That's why it's fiction.

Umm, sorry mate but you are wrong again there. Control of Zero point energy would provide you with basically all the Same power sets.

And the whole point of this thread is to speculate, Posivitists attitudes such as this ....

"Lots of things in comics (and fiction in general) simply don't have a real - life explanation. That's why it's fiction"

Are not welcome in this thread !

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
There maybe vasts amounts of energy found in curled up hyper Dimensions, but your right i prefer the manipulation of the quantum vacuum idea.

The advantage with working with currently known theories is that the reader can relate what the character is doing to "real life" stuff. The "problem" is: if one is working with a truly advanced science, why should it be relatible to what we curently know? An analogy might be this: the Starship Enterprise is very recognizable as a ship, even if you took it out of context (say, a model placed on your desk). There's a definite fore/aft, top/bottom, port/starboard orientation, and lots of nice little windows.

On the other hand, consider the starship from the movie "Starman." A giant mirrored sphere with stuff orbiting it. If this image was taken out of context, likely you wouldn't even recognize it as a ship. To me, in a way, that's more believable as advanced tech, for the very reason that I wouldn't be able to make heads or tails out of it. Why should I be able to?

I think Superman's Bio-electrical aura should be changed to a bio electrical plasma one....Maybe he has some sort of Super Conductive biological membrane that creates intense magnetic fields.

No it wouldn't. Zero - point energy is just energy derived from quantum uncertainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_energy

It wouldn't allow you to travel faster than light, or travel through time, or suck energy out of a star, or transmute matter, or warp reality, or teleport things, or lots of other things the PC does.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No it wouldn't. Zero - point energy is just energy derived from quantum uncertainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_energy

It wouldn't allow you to travel faster than light, or travel through time, or suck energy out of a star, or transmute matter, or warp reality, or teleport things, or lots of other things the PC does.

Sorry ? Your using a wiki site to demonstrate your knowledge of the Quantum vacuum ? Talk about pissing on your credibility bonfire.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070116130456.htm

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08/pwr_timetravel.html

Bump .... the greatest thread ever !!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, because this was a fun thread....necro a$$ first bump of 2014!!1!

These are questions from a 7 year old thread, but since you bumped it, i guess ill answer them.

Originally posted by leonidas

1. what is the nature of darkseid's omega beams and where does it stem from?

They come from the "omega realm", shown in Superman/Batman #42:

http://i.imgur.com/1vfV6cH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8lPioE5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2XUUSOZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aoQAWkN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EzlPNCq.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas

2. how does the anti-life equation stack up against the other 'great powers'? ie -- the pf, the IG, the HOTU, starbrand?

Anti life equation is the same as anti-life entity which was pretty powerful. The equation's/entity's power depends on the particular stories as well (ill get into the details if needed).

As for its ranking (at its peak showings), it's above the Phoenix Force and the Starbrand but below the IG (which has multi-universal feats/statements). HOTU? Nah, it's far below that.

Originally posted by leonidas

3. what is the HOTU and from where did it come?

Well, considering that it was able to over-power LT (who's officially only inferior to Protege/Scathan/TOAA), and we know for sure that Starlin didn't intend to have Protege or Scathan anything with the storyline, id say itstands to reason that it was the power of TOAA, Warlock even hinted that by saying that this:

http://i.imgur.com/pOdyJbL.jpg?1

"He whose power you coveted".

Starlin also said in an interview that Thanos had the power of "God", so there's a good amount of implication that it was TOAA's power. Apart from that, we don't know anything.

Originally posted by leonidas

4. what exactly is the power cosmic and from where does it come -- what is its source?

It's source is Galactus. No discussion there.

Originally posted by leonidas

5. is 'the source' (new gods) the greatest power in all of comics?

I wouldn't say that. But its depiction does vary. There are implications that it is "the one above all". Here's one from Spectre v3 #58

Spectre: "there is The One Above All"

Zeus: "That might be the source"

There are several other examples to this as well.

Here, in that same issue, the Source shows the spectre the nature of God (granting him the power of God):

http://i.imgur.com/kjp6E6v.jpg

Apart from that, there's a letter's page from New Gods v4 #4 which explains that the source is the force that holds the universe (and even more than that) together:

http://i.imgur.com/EpDcx22.jpg?1

Some stories have the source responsible for the creation of the universe (and is created by the universe as well), Jack Kirby's fourth world #1:

http://i.imgur.com/b6kgZ6r.jpg

1998 bio:

http://i.imgur.com/Bygrt1I.jpg?1

Of course, this is just one of the many creation stories present in DC comics.

So yeah, there are several implications that it is the supreme being.

If you ask me though, id say that the source is a power directly below the Presence but above Lucifer/Michael level, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas

6. what came first -- the multiverse or the phoenix force -- think through this one carefully!! 😄 ?

The multiverse came first. Definitely, imo.

Sure, you'll find hyperbolic statements for the Phoenix, but statements don't hold a much weight as do the on panel depictions.

In fact let's apply that logic: Excalibur v1 #34 letter's page says that the PF is one of the forces responsible for creating all realities (in other words: it came first):

http://i.imgur.com/OGcqWEd.jpg?1

Same series (Excalibur v1 #52) has it depict Phoenix's origins, and it is revealed that the Phoenix Force is born from the big bang:

http://i.imgur.com/QED5jJG.jpg

2 handbooks (2005 + 2010) confirming it:

http://i.imgur.com/ZrsLu3P.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/JvbYdtf.jpg?1

😂 leo likes stirring the pot as much as possible.

Originally posted by operator616
Well, considering that it was able to over-power LT (who's officially only inferior to Protege/Scathan/TOAA), and we know for sure that Starlin didn't intend to have Protege or Scathan anything with the storyline, id say itstands to reason that it was the power of TOAA, Warlock even hinted that by saying that this:

http://i.imgur.com/pOdyJbL.jpg?1

"He whose power you coveted".

Starlin also said in an interview that Thanos had the power of "God", so there's a good amount of implication that it was TOAA's power. Apart from that, we don't know anything.

Thanos: "Surely, Eternity, you must sense that everything the Almighty was, I now am." [...] "I, like he was, am now the author of all that will be. My will is supreme." [...] "I will not demand worship, as my predecessor expected. But I do anticipate respect, Eternity.":
http://imgur.com/7Spl1lj

^ Yeah. While Thanos never mentioned anything about "TOAA" in particular, he did refer to him indirectly by calling him "The Almighty". We also know that the only "Almighty" who's above LT is TOAA, something which is confirmed in the bios, as you know. while others are nigh-omnipotent beings created for the purpose of a single story (like Protege/Scathan). I sure did get the implication that it was TOAA.

Besides, if Starlin intended anyone other than TOAA im pretty sure he would have let us know, instead of having Thanos giving us indirect (but clear) statements.

I also forgot to provide the scan for this part:

Originally posted by operator616
There are implications that it is "the one above all". Here's one from Spectre v3 #58

Spectre: "there is The One Above All"

Zeus: "That might be the source"

There are several other examples to this as well.

Here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/DNylaYl.jpg?1

I'm curious of your opinion on this(I have my own)...

Where mind/soul manipulation is concerned, how do you believe a fully realized ALEquation(under, say, Simonson) compares to the IG?