The hell? Spider-Man dies. Period.
Strength? Spidey's Class 15. Starfire's Class 100.
Durablity? Spidey gets his eye ripped out. Starfire withstood the Astro-Force.
Speed? Spidey can dodge bullets. Starfire can travel through space FTL.
Spider-Man dies 10/10. His ONLY hope is that his teammates can come in and help his ass.
Originally posted by Draco69
The hell? Spider-Man dies. Period.Strength? Spidey's Class 15. Starfire's Class 100.
Durablity? Spidey gets his eye ripped out. Starfire withstood the Astro-Force.
Speed? Spidey can dodge bullets. Starfire can travel through space FTL.Spider-Man dies 10/10. His ONLY hope is that his teammates can come in and help his ass.
so would you also say spidey goes Asplode?
Starfire class 100? Way off!!! Nowhere close. Not even Class 70 or 60.
As for Spiderman's strength increase, you have to remember that his powers were midgitated, due to the illness explained in the other. All during his fights with Norman Osbournes two sons, the new molten man, and his fights against the avenger's clones. This was explained during the other. Which is the main reason Morlun decided to attack him then.
During the Molten Man storyline, he swung two cars and molten across the city with one hand. This all took place while he was weakened. Morlun was at least class 50, during his rematch with Spidey. In the hospital, "The other" killed him with ease. So Spiderman is no doubt as strong as the submariner is above water.
Starfire has the advantage of strength, but Spiderman's improved spider sense, and his improved agility would be too much for her to handle. Even if she was giving him trouble, he could just fire a web line in the air, and keep track of all her movements from the vibration on the web.
During one of the Teen Titans storylines, Nightwing(or robin) took on starfire while she was rogue. Nightwing, whose strength class is far below 1, should have been obliterated, according to your logic. So her having 100 class strength is impossible. She is not even that fast, in comparison to the web head. Now I'm not sure about this next point, since I have not read all of the teen titans comics, but I'm pretty sure Deathstroke has beaten the titans many times, including Starfire, considering he was one of their main villains. Deathstroke doesn't come close to Spiderman, in terms of powers.
Another thing, the Hulk and Juggernaut are class 100(far above that), yet Spiderman has taken them on as well. The fight with Juggernaut was a stalemate, but the fight against the hulk wasn't. Sure, he won by causing him to revert back to bruce banner, but this proves that he can more than easily take on chracters above the class 100 level.
Also, during a recent storyline, Spiderman took on four avengers clones single handedly.
Captain America, Thor, Iron-Man, and Hawk-eye. And he was winning too, up until the point to where the fake avengers realized that they would need team work, to stand a chance. Of course, we don't know who would have won that fight, since the real avengers showed up the second the fake avengers figured that out.
Last, but certainly not least.....Spidey rulz!!!!! 😛
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Starfire class 100? Way off!!! Nowhere close. Not even Class 70 or 60.
Starfire is most certainly Class 100. Stop watching the cartoon. She's like Superman. She's a solar battery. She's seen lifting air carrier over her head.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
As for Spiderman's strength increase, you have to remember that his powers were midgitated, due to the illness explained in the other. All during his fights with Norman Osbournes two sons, the new molten man, and his fights against the avenger's clones. This was explained during the other. Which is the main reason Morlun decided to attack him then.
During the Molten Man storyline, he swung two cars and molten across the city with one hand. This all took place while he was weakened. Morlun was at least class 50, during his rematch with Spidey. In the hospital, "The other" killed him with ease. So Spiderman is no doubt as strong as the submariner is [b]above water. [/B]
Spider-Man STRONGER than Namor? Please. Morlun isn't Class 50 either. He's at most as strong as Luke Cage.
Spider-Man blindsided Morlun by sticking his stingers through his hands and "devouring" him.
Jesus. You actually think Spider-Man is now stronger than Namor? Darkcrawler would go nuts.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Starfire has the advantage of strength, but Spiderman's improved spider sense, and his improved agility would be too much for her to handle.
How? Agility vs. FTL speed. Hmm. Guess who wins? She doesn't even have to use her starbolts. She can just trap him in a forcefield or superheat the area around them by thousands of degrees. Or she simply go NOVA.
Take into account she's a pre-cog...
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Even if she was giving him trouble, he could just fire a web line in the air, and keep track of all her movements from the vibration on the web.
How is he going to keep "track" of an opponent zipping around faster than sound and if she chooses light? She'll rip through any webline he makes. Or more easily just burn them.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Lastly, during one of the Teen Titans storylines, Nightwing(or robin) took on starfire while she was rogue. Nightwing, whose strength class is far below 1, should have been obliterated, according to your logic. So her having 100 class strength is impossible. She is not even that fast, in comparison to the web head..
Again. Stop using the cartoon as a medium for the comic which is completely different. It's like using movie Rogue as a medium for the comic version.
Now Spider-Man would most certainly curbstomp TV Starfire...
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Now I'm not sure about this next point, since I have not read all of the teen titans comics, but I'm pretty sure Deathstroke has beaten the titans many times, including Starfire, considering he was one of their main villains. Deathstroke doesn't come close to Spiderman, in terms of powers.
Deathstroke as also beaten the entire JLA AND held his own against Wonder Woman. He has a massive jobber aura worthy of Batman.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Another thing, the Hulk and Juggernaut are class 100(far above that), yet Spiderman has taken them on as well. The fight with Juggernaut was a stalemate, but the fight against the hulk wasn't. Sure, he won by causing him to revert back to bruce banner, but this proves that he can more than easily take on chracters above the class 100 level.
Hulk and Juggernaut are massive, slow, powerful lummoxes that have little prayer of hitting Spider-Man.
Starfire is a FTL, Class 100 foe with centuries of combat experience and several solar manipulation powers.
Bad analogy.
Hold the phone, who said he was stronger than Namor? I'm referring to him being stronger than Namor without being powered up by submerging in water. He is as strong as Namor is at his weakest. Morlun's senses are uncanny. Merely blindsiding him wasn't what took place. It was Parker's unused agility that was in use here, and his other upgrades. Morlun was outmaneuvered by Spiderman's blinding speed.
I've just got to say I'm shocked. Are they really aiming for making all their characters like Superman. How droll.
Anyway, the Human torch can do most of those things you listed above(minus the speed of light and pre-cog), and can go to the intensity of a Super nova. Him and Spiderman have fought each other on multiple occassions. So Starfires powers would be nothing new to the web head. Now I would use the Fire Lord argument, but people seem to be so offended by that, that it's against forum rules. So I digress on this point.
However, that vibration trick, combined with his uncanny agility, and his spider sense, it would most certainly work, if she were moving at the speed of sound.
Again. Stop using the cartoon as a medium for the comic which is completely different. It's like using movie Rogue as a medium for the comic version.
Now Spider-Man would most certainly curbstomp TV Starfire...I wasn't using the cartoon(have they even fought each other in the cartoon?). That has happened in the comics. I don't even watch the cartoon. It's a disgrace to the original comics.
Deathstroke as also beaten the entire JLA AND held his own against Wonder Woman. He has a massive jobber aura worthy of Batman.
As I recall, he fought 7 JLA members simaltaneously, and lost. Besides, I listed Spiderman taking on the strongest members of the avengers.
I just don't understand the justifacation for Batman here. Like Batman, Spiderman takes out people he is not supposed to beat all the time. The only difference here is that they occassionally have Spiderman lose to people weaker than him. I'm guessing that's where the confusion falls.
Now if what you say is true, and that they really have given Starfire Superman's powers, then yeah, I agree Spiderman would lose in a straight up fight. Though if there were a rematch, Starfire wouldn't stand a chance, no matter what she did. She would lose any fight afterwards. Like Batman, Spidey relies on preparation as well. I'm sure he'd find a way to limit her powers(heck, I've already thought of one), after using Tony Stark's resources to develop a plan.
Now if this is the traditional versus thread matchup, where rules state that both characters get a limited amount of prep time from the get go, Spidey hands down.
Kenshin seems to be Spidey's lone supporter here....but he's kinda going off the deep end occasionally. Lemme see if I can't find some middle ground.
First off, screw the Iron Spider costume...by all accounts, he won't have it long anyway. Let's just take this fight old school.
Starfire can fly at FTL speeds, but travel speed and fight speed are very, very different. I've never seen her fight fast enough to assume that she's anything beyond "good reflexes and fighting skill". If someone can tell me otherwise, I'd be happy to reconsider this fight.
That said, the list of people Spider-Man has successfully dodged completely is long as hell....and it includes people far more skilled than Starfire. Everyone who is saying she'd have an easy win is assuming she'd get a solid number of hits in on Spidey....and that's much less likely than people think. He's been punched by the likes of an enraged Hulk and only had broken ribs, so it wouldn't be a one-hit kill. Far from it.
And that assumes she can hit him at all. The hard part comes with Spidey getting in a mega amount of hits without taking too many himself. Again, entirely possible (though it could go either way) and Starfire's durability isn't beyond Spidey's ability to hurt. It would take a while, no doubt, but it's possible.
If anyone hasn't read it, go to my respect thread and read the FL fight (and there's no way that should be "banned" by the rules...I think I'll be looking into that). Seriously though. The only attack FL doesn't use is the one that could destroy a city. Other than that, he's going all out, and could disintegrate Spidey with one shot. But he can't, and Spidey punks him by hitting him a sick number of times without getting hit in return. It's not as much PIS as people seem to think. No one would argue that Starfire is beyond FL in terms of power, durability, or skill...and she doesn't have a city-block destroying attack either.
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So where does that leave us?? It leaves us with a conundrum over whether or not you think SF would hit him a few times before Spidey walloped her enough to win. Either way is entirely possible, as I see it.
Again, if there's something I'm not considering about Starfire, please let me know...because I'm not an authority on her character by any means. But I think I've given her the credit she deserves, and pointed out that Spidey is no stranger to people in her power class.
I think LP knew what he doing when he made this thread. It's a decent fight. I'll shy away from a "This person wins X/10" because I realize I'm biased....but I just wanted to get my opinion out there.
-DM
DigiMark007 brings up a good point with the Firelord vs Spiderman fight. Was that PIS or could Spidey really take down a character of that level? IMO, no he could not. The reason isn't that Spiderman couldn't take advantage of a potential weakness (the stick), it is that given Firelord's power set Spidey should never have gotten close to him.
All Firelord would have to do is raise the temperature around his body (say a radius of 3 or 4 feet) up to a few thousand degrees Fahrenheit. Spiderman then could not even get close enought to attack him without getting severly burned.
Its this lack of using a basic power (raising temperature) by Firelord that discredits the fight in my mind.
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Now with Starfire I just think Spidey is out classed. First off, lifting an aircraft carrier is no small feat. It is comparable to Namor lifing a tanker and Ult. Colossus lifting that submarine. This puts her very high in the strength rankings in Marvel or DC (I would assume that would easily put her into the hundred ton range)
Now as to Spidey's durability, I realize that Marvel isn't too good at realisticly showing the relationship between durability and strenght. For example Hulk hitting Spidey (who only has perhaps slightly inhanced human durability) and only breaking a few ribs. 😬
We can look at the Hulk/Wolverine fight: when the hulk his Wolverine in the face the force should be enough to turn all of the tissue between his fist and Wolverine's skull to mush. But that doesn't happen. A person in a high strength class should have no trouble punching through a human body with little effort.
In this fight, Starfire could simply wait for Spidey to get close and then launch a starbolt at the ground beneath her for a quick win. Or going hand to hand she still stands a good chance. All she has to do is get a single hand on Spidey and she can criple him easily. However, I'm not sure Spidey can really take her down. His new upgrades would help but I'm not sure it would be enough.
His speed would help but she has had combat training from WW and has had expericence with individual with much greater speed than Spiderman in DC.
I have doubts that Spiderman can aviod everyone of her attacks and still manage to inflict enough one-sided damage to beat her.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Hold the phone, who said he was stronger than Namor? I'm referring to him being stronger than Namor without being powered up by submerging in water. He is as strong as Namor is at his weakest.
If you mean that Spider-Man is on par with Namor on land, then you are wrong.
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif
He packs a wallop on land too. He doesn't instantly get weaker on land...even on land, he is hundreds, if not thousands of times stronger then Spidey.
If you mean this as Namor on his weakest, as in completely dried out (Spent hours in a sauna) and hallucinating:
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4fup.gif
Then you might be right.
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Oh yeah, and Starfire wins.
