Originally posted by Numan
I wasn't calling him a fanboy because he says that he beats these masters. I called him a fanboy because he said he is leagues over Kun.
Ragnos is leagues above Kun and there is no way to question that. Kun got most of his knowledge from Sadow and Nadd - both people who didn't even think about being close to Ragnos. Ragnos is descriped as the Sith Lord and the most powerful of the most powerful posessing titanic powers even among the godlike ancient Sith Lords. The dude is a walking superlative in terms of force powers.
Just have a look at his sceptre. Even in the hands of a minor force user it drained entire planets, collapsed buildings, charged legions of none force user with force powers on Jedi Knight level, threw force users through entire rooms and had the ability to resurrect persons that were dead for 5,000 years. And that was only one of Ragnos toys - a guy that was feared 5,000 years after his death so much that even Luke at this time (a Luke that had faced DE Sidious and Exar Kun's spirit at that point) thought that it would take the combined power of the entire academy just to try fighting a living Ragnos (without a granted victory).
Of course Ragnos is leagues above Kun and of course he will win that fight.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Ragnos [b]is leagues above Kun and there is no way to question that. Kun got most of his knowledge from Sadow and Nadd - both people who didn't even think about being close to Ragnos. Ragnos is descriped as the Sith Lord and the most powerful of the most powerful posessing titanic powers even among the godlike ancient Sith Lords. The dude is a walking superlative in terms of force powers.Just have a look at his sceptre. Even in the hands of a minor force user it drained entire planets, collapsed buildings, charged legions of none force user with force powers on Jedi Knight level, threw force users through entire rooms and had the ability to resurrect persons that were dead for 5,000 years. And that was only one of Ragnos toys - a guy that was feared 5,000 years after his death so much that even Luke at this time (a Luke that had faced DE Sidious and Exar Kun's spirit at that point) thought that it would take the combined power of the entire academy just to try fighting a living Ragnos (without a granted victory).
Of course Ragnos is leagues above Kun and of course he will win that fight. [/B]
Firstly that sceptre says nothing about his force power and more about sith technology. Therefor it does not give any indication that would make me slightly change my mind in this duel, as Sadow's amulet would be more useful in a duel anyway and it does not say anything about Ragnos' power.
Kun got all his knowledge from the remnants of Sadow and Nadd, neither one of those would have dared to move against Ragnos, who ruled with an iron fist for a hundred years, when many people moved against him. Imagine the knowledge he would have, the power he would have gathered. He would have WTFPwnd Kun as well as everybody else.
LOL. Even IKC, who is in love with Kun, would disagree with that statement. A minor force user was able to his his scepter, big deal. His scepter gave non force users force powers and sucked the force out of entire planets. That in itself is pure power. What happened when the spirit of a 5,000 DLOTH corrupted Tavion's body? She died because she couldn't handle, even his spirit. No my friend, Ragnos would have to get up for Kun, so what makes you think he'd have to get up for those Jedi masters. His force powers are described as titanic, with a terrifying grasp of the dark side, plus he is THE Sith lord of the DLOTS..
Originally posted by Numan
Exactly. His sceptre was sith technology that gave the wielder additional and enhanced powers. Just like Kun's amulet. Just because ragnos was able to create it, it doesn't mean he had to be powerful to do so. He might have been a great alchemist for instance.
Even if he wasn't, which is a stupid assumption then he would still have those weapons and would kill everybody he fights with them.
Also you have to keep in mind that Sadow has shown abilities far greater then that of anybody else ever duplicated in later era's, and he feared Ragnos. He challenged Ragnos in politics but not in a fight which would have been the noble and right thing to do, why? Because he knew he would die if he tried. Ragnos was undefeated ruled with an iron fist when many people hated him.
Even if he had no real power and it was all just augmented by his great alchemy and magic skills he would still pwn everybody else in a fight because he had those weapons.