Marka Ragnos versus Jedi Masters

Originally posted by Borbarad
Ragnos [b]is leagues above Kun and there is no way to question that. Kun got most of his knowledge from Sadow and Nadd - both people who didn't even think about being close to Ragnos. Ragnos is descriped as the Sith Lord and the most powerful of the most powerful posessing titanic powers even among the godlike ancient Sith Lords. The dude is a walking superlative in terms of force powers.

Just have a look at his sceptre. Even in the hands of a minor force user it drained entire planets, collapsed buildings, charged legions of none force user with force powers on Jedi Knight level, threw force users through entire rooms and had the ability to resurrect persons that were dead for 5,000 years. And that was only one of Ragnos toys - a guy that was feared 5,000 years after his death so much that even Luke at this time (a Luke that had faced DE Sidious and Exar Kun's spirit at that point) thought that it would take the combined power of the entire academy just to try fighting a living Ragnos (without a granted victory).

Of course Ragnos is leagues above Kun and of course he will win that fight. [/B]

I agree with all of this, but I'm thinking about the last part. Luke said that his power was unknown, but he had gathered some facts about him. It was only an assumption from Luke, it doesen't necessarily mean he's right.

And Jaden had the exact same effect with the sceptor as Tavion had, so I'm not sure it changes with the user.

My point exactly.

And if the amulet was greater, then why didn't Sadow the creater of the amulet use it to destroy Ragnos? Obviouslby because it couldn't.

Not only do you not have any prove that the amulet is more powerful then the sceptre, you don't have any prove that it could even touch Ragnos, when logic would dictate it couldn't.

There could have been many reasons why he didn't want to kill Ragnos. And you're acting as if there are no defences against these objects. Somebody like Thon would have probably been able to use a forcefield to block a blast from Kun's amulet.

A blast that tore through temple walls and Sith Wyrms? Doubtful.

We don't have to prove anything to you Numan. The mere fact that Ragnos ruled over the most powerful sith lords ever, for 100 years, unchallenged, speaks volumes about his power. There is nobody greater than him in the Star Wars universe

Originally posted by tdtd
We don't have to prove anything to you Numan. The mere fact that Ragnos ruled over the most powerful sith lords ever, for 100 years, unchallenged, speaks volumes about his power. There is nobody greater than him in the Star Wars universe

Have any proof that they were the most powerful?
No didn't think so.

LOL. Are you kidding? It is common knowledge that the ancient sith of the golden age had no equals that followed them. This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Don't be stupid

Originally posted by tdtd
Kun isn't even in the top 5 most powerful users of all time, while Ragnos is the most powerful of the most powerful. If Kun can tool these guys, what makes you think Ragnos would even have to get up for the fight?

i would say kun would be in the top 5 of all time. not #1, but he'd be in there
i know ragnos would kill pretty much anyone, but i think you are overestimating him a little bit

saying he is the most powerful of the most powerful, is a blind statement like: "anakin is the chosen one"

Maybe you consider it common knowledge and it may be "common knowledge" on these forums, but that doesn't make it so. Look at Kressh. He is considered one of the greatest ancient sith ever and yet he has never displayed anything worth mentioning. Marka Ragnos is a complete unknown as far as I am concerned, as is Tulak Hord. Ajunta Pall was a relative weakling compared to Revan. Naga Sadow was probably the most impressive and I think that Luke can easily contend with him.

Originally posted by Numan
Maybe you consider it common knowledge and it may be "common knowledge" on these forums, but that doesn't make it so. Look at Kressh. He is considered one of the greatest ancient sith ever and yet he has never displayed anything worth mentioning. Marka Ragnos is a complete unknown as far as I am concerned, as is Tulak Hord. Ajunta Pall was a relative weakling compared to Revan. Naga Sadow was probably the most impressive and I think that Luke can easily contend with him.

It's the "Golden Age," that's clue number one. It's described as the zenith of Sith power, that's clue number three. Later generations reference that these characters were godlike in comparison to their contemporaries, that's three. It's described as godlike in the damn narration, that's 4. Later generations take remnants of their power and become godlike, that's 5.

Seriously, you are simply unwilling to do a little research and are in denial. And Kun being superior to Ragnos? Based on what? His era was not as strong, his contemporaries were not as strong, his artifacts were not as strong.

I love the speculation. "He could have been a great alchemist" or "he could have been a great diplomat."

WTF? Is that why he is described as having "titanic strength and a terrifying grasp of the dark side"? No, it's because he can charm anybody and that he could finesse his way to victory!! Clearly; never mind the whole "he ruled the galaxy with an iron fist" quote, now does it?

You've never brought a figment of proof, you've argued things that have already been established in narration, and you still can't convince anyone to your side.

Ragnos owns this fight.

And awesome logic, "because I don't see their power on panel, I'm going to assume that other people can contend with them!" Yay. Your point of making this thread is what then? So you can get smacked around by people with the ability to make inferences?

Kun is not in the top 5. He's behind the ancient sith lords and possibly Nadd. But that's irrelevant here. Ragnos being the most powerful of the most powerful is not "overestimating" him. It's pure fact.

no he's in the top 5 and i couldve sworn him and nadd were both ancient sith lords

Originally posted by tdtd
Kun is not in the top 5. He's behind the ancient sith lords and possibly Nadd. But that's irrelevant here. Ragnos being the most powerful of the most powerful is not "overestimating" him. It's pure fact.

im sorry i shouldve quoted that, but also im not saying that that statement overestimates him, im saying that some people here overestimate him

When I say ancient Sith, I mean the 4 that we know are the greatest. Ragnos, Simus, Sadow and Kressh. Then we have Nadd and Kun after those 4. They are ancient Sith but not of the golden age, which I was referring to.

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
i would say kun would be in the top 5 of all time. not #1, but he'd be in there
i know ragnos would kill pretty much anyone, but i think you are overestimating him a little bit

saying he is the most powerful of the most powerful, is a blind statement like: "anakin is the chosen one"

It's not a blind statement. Chosen one could mean a whole crapload of things. The most powerful of the most powerful with immense strength and a terrifying grasp of the dark side is far less ambiguous.

agreed

Originally posted by Illustrious
It's not a blind statement. Chosen one could mean a whole crapload of things. The most powerful of the most powerful with immense strength and a terrifying grasp of the dark side is far less ambiguous.

when i said that i meant that some people are using that as their only arguement

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
when i said that i meant that some people are using that as their only arguement

And if you read the argument, you see that wasn't the case.

Besides, being the most powerful individual when the others in your era could also contend for the most powerful individuals of all time is pretty conclusive. That's all I need to know for a basic syllogy.

Originally posted by Numan
And due to the fact that a minor force user was able to use it, it doesn't really say anything. Personally I think Kun is easily better than Ragnos.

If I recall, it took about one-hundred Jedi to stop Kun? It took the entire order to stop Ragnos.

Anyways, Ragnos crushes them the eats them.