Marka Ragnos versus Naga Sadow and Exar Kun

Agreed, an insignificant character like Wynn means nothing in terms of Canon, however Ragnos is stated as being the most powerful of the most powerful by more than 1 narrarator

Originally posted by Numan
You have no proof. Quotes don't mean shit. Uthar Wyn said that Naga Sadow was the greatest of all of the ancient sith, so if you are going to disregard that quote than you cannot use ones that say that Ragnos was the greatest. And there could have been many reasons why sadow didn't try to overthrow Ragnos. You cannot speculate and make assumptions (even if you think they are very logical and accurate) if you call anybody else who does ignorant or a bad debater of fanboy or whatever other insults you have.

Like IKC said the quotes we use are from the guy who invented them he could know. Uthar Wynn however is a stupid Sith guy who trains people nad has no real power to speak off, but who lives in a time of war and conquest and probably thinks that is a good thing.

Logically he would think that fighting a war, the thing that Sadow did was a good thing and thats why he called him the greatest. Kreia somebody with far more knowledge about the Dark Side and Sith history and who we can trust a lot more says nothing about Sadow really but calls Ragnos the best there is.

agreed

Uthat Wynn had clearly spent years at the academy on Korriban and would have learnt much about the sith (through holocrons and artifacts etc). And the opinion of the narrator means what exactly? Does George Lucas even know of the narrator? His opinion means nothing.

Originally posted by Numan
Uthat Wynn had clearly spent years at the academy on Korriban and would have learnt much about the sith (through holocrons and artifacts etc). And the opinion of the narrator means what exactly? Does George Lucas even know of the narrator? His opinion means nothing.

He wrote the comics, he put the opinion as a fact in the comic, his opinion is the entire comic. As far as the comic itself goes nobody his word could mean more. GL has agreed with the comic to be cannon therefor the opinion the narrator expreses as a fact in the comic is indeed a fact.

And Uthar Wynn may have spent years there, but he wasn't the head of the Academy for years. Also he says greatest not most powerful. And Sadow could rank as the greatest ,that wouldn't be a real strange to say. I'm sure many people would have agreed with him, Ragnos for all his power was still a coward according to many, and that would not make him the greatest.

What he wrote in the comics is fact if it is approved as Canon by george Lucas but what he wrote outside is not.

And he wrote it in the comics, so thats all what matters.

When I said in the comics, I meant involved in the story of the comics.

And again he did.

No he used a character in his comic to say it. The narrator din't appear in the story did he.

Just read the comics, the Narrator states it in the comics as something that just is. Its not said by a character or a thing, he just states it. Like a writer would state in a book "That building is red" or "He was the greatest fighter ever seen" get it?

Ragnos didn't even live in a time of war.

And once again you prove you are 10 years old...

My god, he lived in a time when people were rebelling against him, ergo a time of war. And he was the greatest fighter was just an example I was given just like the building was red.

Jesus...

Look Fishy I have shown more intelligence then you have. How do you know people were rebelling agains him. Do you have any proof. And where in the actual story does it say Marka Ragnos was the greatest of the ancient sith or anything along those lines.

Strange, you seem to be the only one that thinks that.

And if you would look in any thread about Marka ragnos that you didn't create you would find more then enough evidence to prove that he is the greatest, I suggest you look it up.

Numan you seem to be the dumbest human being on these forums now quit arguing with facts. In fact just shut up.

Originally posted by Numan
Look Fishy I have shown more intelligence then you have. How do you know people were rebelling agains him. Do you have any proof. And where in the actual story does it say Marka Ragnos was the greatest of the ancient sith or anything along those lines.

No, you're an idiot. And it should be against the law to let you have a computer, since you abuse the priviledge.

The point is that GL has officially signed off on EU. It's a "parallel universe" in his own words, and so long as it doesn't contradict the movies themselves (Or assuming it doesn't pick and use names that he's preselected. He has a book of names) it stands. And KJA made his characters. He created the TOTJ series. When you see narration in the comics it is from the narrator, which is omniscient and the closest thing to KJA you can find aside from the synapsis. You arguing that Bioware's minor bit character Uthar Wynn is somehow going to know better than the guy who created Naga Sadow and the other ancient sith is beyond stupid. You keep saying "Well, he was there years..." Prove it. "Well, he'd know..." Substantiate his knowledge. Show us exactly where Uthar Whynn has shown to me more knowledgable about the affairs of the ancient sith compared to the PERSON WHO MADE THEM.

Until you do, stfu and stop making threads.

look you can talk about what the hell is canon and what the **** isn't but at the end of the day if that is all you can come up with there is no way you are right. There is no evidence for Ragnos' power so stop making assumptions you idiot.

Where's your proof, kid? Teh Uthar Whynn noes al???!!

Originally posted by Numan
look you can talk about what the hell is canon and what the **** isn't but at the end of the day if that is all you can come up with there is no way you are right. There is no evidence for Ragnos' power so stop making assumptions you idiot.

We're making assumptions? This coming from the guy who thinks a crazy, opinionated Sith mentor's take on Sadow tops the opinion of Sadow's creator. Oh, damn. That's not just an assumption. That's idiocy.

No, we're making inferences based on a series of quotes from the narrator, and the narrator's opinion trounces everyone else's.