Originally posted by Numan
You are trying to prove that Ragnos is powerful. I don't need to prove that he isn't. I don't need to prove a negative.
You must shut your brain off before you post... The proof's already been made. Ragnos > Sadow and Kressh TOGETHER.
Illustrious' one rebuttal was perhaps the best.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Is that why he constantly pans back and forth between Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Gav and Jori, Empress Teta, and Odan-Urr?How many 3rd persons is that?
The two of them bow to his spirit. It's there, it's conclusive, they show fear and subordination.
And Odan-Urr didn't feel Marka Ragnos' passing? Then how come I have this little scan here where Odan-Urr is awaken from a nightmare and sees Marka Ragnos' spirit?
Oh wait, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Listen, the omniscient narrator says the exact words:
"Marka Ragnos was the Dark Lord of the Sith - the most powerful of the most powerful."
Yes, 2 definitives. Not to mention later sources mention how he has "immense physical strength and a frightening grasp on the dark side."
Freedon Nadd approaches Exar and mentions that there is "one above [him]" in reference to Marka Ragnos. This is the guy that doesn't seem to take crap from anybody.
Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh are shown making several maneuvers trying to gain power.
Ludo even [b]usurps
the title of Dark Lord when Naga leaves for the republic. That's backstabbing. In fact, they even "duel" for the title of Dark Lord. It's clear, they FIGHT for the title of dark lord. The fact Marka Ragnos did not get defeated even on his deathbed is truly remarkable.In JA, his scepter, an integral part of the game's storyline and depicted in the cutscenes, has the power to raze temples and suck force from entire planets, and imbue non-force sensitives with force powers in the hands of a relative weakling like Tavion.
Sorry, it's definitive. The Sith are a martial, power first society.
Do I need to copy and paste the Sith code for you? The last line even says they value power first and foremost. Marka Ragnos was the most powerful of the most powerful. He "ruled the galaxy with an iron fist." Then you have dozens of lines in KotOR supporting his power. You see him crown Exar and Ulic, you see Freedon Nadd admitting his inferiority, you see Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh bowing before him. You see JA Luke pissing his pants and saying they need the "entire Jedi Academy" to "try" to stop Marka Ragnos.
I don't know why you are talking out of your ass, but the opposition has proved his abilities. No one said they can place exactly how strong he is, but they have shown without question that he has never been depicted with an equal.
Since when? You haven't disproved an assumption. You have answered it with another assumption.
"... but Ragnos COULD HAVE BEEN a master diplomat and have led the Sith through diplomacy."
Too bad that assumption has been trumped numerous times, and you are just too silly to see it. [/B]
Originally posted by Numan
Odun-Urr having that vision doesn't say anything at all about Ragnos. His premonition was due to the fact that Odun-Urr was strong in the force and the force gave him the vision because it was a huge turning point for the jedi of that era.
Apparently you are barely sentient.
The post was Illustrious' reply to someone's accusation that Odan Urr did NOT feel Ragnos' passing across the length and breadth of the galaxy. The scan showed this to be false. It's there, clear as crystal. Your juvenile, assinine opinion is moot. You cannot contradict or discredit the other points listed in that quote (Assuming you could read and understand them) because they are backed by EVIDENCE, something which you don't have and probably can't spell. After all, you are "obsesst" with calling us stupid and fools and generally just being a whiney little troll, but when the onus is on you to prove up, you go for delay tactics and insults.
Way to prove yourself to be an idiot, kid.
No, you didn't. Because the credibility of the narrator of TOTJ and the scans and on-panel evidence trumps Uthar Whynn a thousand times over. You've only proved that you can't reason and that you should probably go watch Sesame Street so you can learn something.
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Originally posted by Numan
The quote is full of things like "The two of them bow to his spirit. It's there, it's conclusive, they show fear and subordination." That is not proof. it is invalid evidence.
It's not proof? So I guess that scan where Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh bow before Ragnos' spirit was homedrawn.
I'm sorry, scans = conclusive. Your opinion = not.
That scan does not prove that Ragnos was powerful because there could be many reasons why they bow down to him. They could have just respected him as he did lead them well and brought about a golden age of the sith. Ludo Kressh was his padawan and judging by his character, he would have likely looked up to him. He was not actually very power hungry and just wanted what was best for the sith empire. Naga Sadow could have bowed down to him for many reasons. He could have been trying to act loyal to him to gain support from the other sith lords for instance. You are interpreting that they bowed down to him because they feared him and that therefor Ragnos was more powerful than either of them. All that scan proves is that they did in fact bow down to him and it is your interpretation that they did it out of fear and were therefor not as powerful as him.