Fifa Germany 2006 - world cup thread

Started by Alpha Centauri105 pages

Originally posted by Df02
but the only reason Robinho had the option to run at people was because the Australians were pushing forward to try equalise, if Robinho had been on in the first half he would'vestruggled to do much against a solid block of defenders, who were closing players down quickly, just like the rest of the Brazil team.

but Ronaldo is playing piss-poorly, he never looks interested and even when he does he looks off pace and criminally off-form... i say criminally because it's a crime to waste a striker spot when there are dozens of good Brazilian strikers to fill it.

Ronaldo is a big man. He's not out of shape, but something is clearly up with the man. He got barged off the ball by a single guy in the first half, the old Ronaldo would have just shrugged them off. I like him, but I think he needs to be benched and Robinho should be played from now on. Especially after completely missing the volley, when he previously would have buried that, undeniably. I also think we need to see Juninho, so many free kick opportunities that could be goals, and Carlos pelts them into row Z. At least Parriera isn't above taking Ronaldo off, even if he starts him. I just wish he'd leave Ronaldo off and bring him ON if he thinks he's needed. Not wait until he's losing Brazil's chances and then panic. Though he did set Adriano's goal up.

Robinho is smaller, faster and arguably more skillful. Whether he'd have broken through or not is up for debate, but he would have had a better chance at it.

Originally posted by Df02
there was actually no difference between the way Australia played and the way TaT played... both had alot of people behind the ball and both tried to play on the counter.
if you play for the counter ofcourse you're gonna have men bailing back when you lose the ball... TaT had a 15-20 window of the game where they looked threatening and moved forward.. not saying their only chances came then, but it was when they looked to actually play up the pitch... and for the last 10-15minutes of the first half Australia had exactly the same spell of foward minded play.

Both teams defended, both teams defended well, both teams tried to counter and both team enjoyed small period of psuedo-dominance... resulting in both teams making their opponents look distinctly average.
there is actually very little difference between the Aussie V Brazil and England v TaT for me, you've just chosen to say England were poor, and that Australia were making things difficult for Brazil, when the reality is, both applies to both, Brazil were pretty poor, and Australia made it difficult, just as England were poor, and TaT made it difficult.

That's the difference, you see. I watched both games also and whilst I'm not denying similarities, I don't understand how you can claim that Trinidad defended as much or as heavily compared to Australia. Trinidad always had a couple of men up the pitch or a couple of men in midfield ready to work on the break. For the biggest part of that game, Australia had their entire team in the box. Brazil did play poorly by their own standards, Australia made it remarkably difficult and I'm never going to deny such things. I've seen Brazil at their best enough to know that this was far from it, I'm not afraid to say I believe Ronaldo is off the boil and should be benched, I'm not even saying Brazil will win it, anything within reason can happen.

It's not bias, it's me genuinely not believing that Trinidad defended as heavily or rabidly as Australia did. That said, I do believe Australia are the better team because we've seen that they can defend, we've seen they can attack (albeit poorly).

I say England played shit because they did, they didn't try anything except the same long ball tactic to Crouch. Try one thing enough times and it'll work sooner or later. Brazil were trying to come in at the side, come in with crosses etc, because they couldn't go direct. Then in the second half they stopped with the crossing and burning down the wing and used Robinho's agility, along with that of Fred and Adriano, to make play directly.

Although he's not as good as Robinho, I think that's why Lennon should be in the team, because we all know Crouch is shit in the air. Lennon can make play for any one of the strikers, as Robinho can for others as well as himself. I'm not trying to make excuses for Brazil, I openly admit when I believe they've played shit, but I honestly see differences in the games, and you don't. That's all it is.

-AC

he is playing poor though. doesnt look interested and no where near is best

Originally posted by Deathblow
It may be a cultural difference, or maybe you guys are just much harsher on our own players, like the English.

The English are possibly the biggest shit-polishers around. They're only harsh when there's a bandwagon to jump on.

Even tho I think Ronaldo is not playing well and should be bench for Robinho, I doubt it will happen. Perreira will start Ronaldo over Robinho no matter what. This time around Ronaldo did more running but still when he got a touch it was for nothing except the pass he gave to Adriano.

Lets face it, from here on any team that faces Brazil will no doubtedly play a very defensive game, so why do people complain about Brazil not scoring or playing bad? It makes me angry when people say that, since when did Brazil have to score more than 5 goals to be told they played good!

i'm getting concerned about Ronaldoermm he was ill in '98, my hero in '02 - despite me being English😛, and now he's getting headachesdontgetit

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
The English are possibly the biggest shit-polishers around. They're only harsh when there's a bandwagon to jump on.

glare

i really should report you for that ❌

Argentina > Brazil

Originally posted by Stun
i really should report you for that ❌

If you're referring to what VVD said, It's entirely true.

The English general public like who they are told to like, hate who they are told to hate. It's always been that way and will forever be that way.

Everybody wanted to kill Beckham when he got sent off against Argentina that time, but as soon as The Sun said it was ok to like him, people did.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you're referring to what VVD said, It's entirely true.

The English general public like who they are told to like, hate who they are told to hate. It's always been that way and will forever be that way.

Everybody wanted to kill Beckham when he got sent off against Argentina that time, but as soon as The Sun said it was ok to like him, people did.

-AC

In my OPINION, it wasnt a pleasant comment. For those who are brainwashed to think what other people want them to think should be shot - just dont condemn the whole nation...

now, back to the WC😉

He's not condemning the whole nation, he said the English because that's who it is, and it is most of them, if you got a percentage. It's the general public.

-AC

Does it bother you that i object to that statement? look pal, i'm just stating my opinion - and it's not getting me anywhere😂 i'd much rather talk about the WC if it's all the same with you?

Just watched a replay of the Brazil - Australia match.
Parreira's boys gotta upgrade their game or they are in big trouble.

What do people think is wrong with Brazil? Ronaldo looks awful - worse than Crouch! - and yet I used to love the guy. Obviously, his body has changed, but in his Barca and Inter days the guy was incredible! Adriano looks average, Roberto Carlos looks past it, and even Ronaldinho has been playing well below his best, which is strange because he's usually so consistent. Only Kaka, Robinho and Ze Roberto have looked good. I wonder what's going on? Any ideas...

they are just getting old and past it. the defence has always been crap. carlos and cafu are past it. ronaldo is rubbish now. i like robinho but he is hardly a team player.

kaka, ronaldinho, and adriano are the only ones who can turn it on. its normal to overhype brazil, but this year i think they will fall short.

argentina are the best south american side in the competion.

You say their defense is crap, when was the last to you saw them suffer a heavy loss? They never lose 6-0 or anything.

I think saying Ronaldo is worse than Crouch is a bit over the top, but then again, Krunk'd is a secret Crouch fan as I've suspected all along.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You say their defense is crap, when was the last to you saw them suffer a heavy loss? They never lose 6-0 or anything.

I think saying Ronaldo is worse than Crouch is a bit over the top, but then again, Krunk'd is a secret Crouch fan as I've suspected all along.

-AC

at this moment in time. id rather have crouch than ronaldo.

I swear you were the one who said "Give Rooney time, he's just come back."?

As correctly pointed out to me yesterday, Ronaldo scored lots in the warm up games they played, good goals. So in reality, he's just had a couple of bad games, they all have really. Except for Kaka, Ze Roberto etc.

I think Brazil need to play better teams, personally. I think if that game yesterday was a knockout game, Australia wouldn't have stood half a chance. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I swear you were the one who said "Give Rooney time, he's just come back."?

As correctly pointed out to me yesterday, Ronaldo scored lots in the warm up games they played, good goals. So in reality, he's just had a couple of bad games, they all have really. Except for Kaka, Ze Roberto etc.

I think Brazil need to play better teams, personally. I think if that game yesterday was a knockout game, Australia wouldn't have stood half a chance. Just my opinion.

I agree.. It seemed to me watching the Brazil games that they were just coasting though.

Originally posted by Stun
i really should report you for that ❌

If that kind of thing makes you feel better, feel free. I'm sure it'll make the world a slightly better place.

I think someone said 'bloody' on the radio as well yesterday. If you bear with me I'll get you an e-mail address and you can fire one off. Literally or figuratively.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
What do people think is wrong with Brazil? Ronaldo looks awful - worse than Crouch! - and yet I used to love the guy. Obviously, his body has changed, but in his Barca and Inter days the guy was incredible! Adriano looks average, Roberto Carlos looks past it, and even Ronaldinho has been playing well below his best, which is strange because he's usually so consistent. Only Kaka, Robinho and Ze Roberto have looked good. I wonder what's going on? Any ideas...

I don't think they're that bad. They're winning games. The problem is, they're held in such high esteem that if they don't destroy teams they get attacked. Not to mention other teams try that extra bit harder against them, as often happens to the favourites in any competition.

As for Ronaldo, he's certainly not playing like he normally does, but then neither is Ronaldinho. Although apparently he is officially past it, and Owen is officially 'warming up'. At this rate Newcastle will certainly benefit from him coming to the boil in about February.

Ze Roberto is playing great because he's having to deal with counter attacks, and they are plentiful at the moment. Kaka is playing well because he is the least shackled of the 'Fab Four'.