Fifa Germany 2006 - world cup thread

Originally posted by Mattomic
I've explained it so many times to you before AC, why England are a better side than Germany, and it's getting tiresome to act like a broken record, so just get it into your head

We have better players-FACT

We are always considered firm favourites from pundits, ex-pros, media, not just in England-FACT

We have alot more matchwinners in our team-FACT

Germany have been on a downward spiral for ages, no one has considered them anywhere near being a favourite to win any tournament since USA '94-FACT

They're on home soil, and so are expected to do well-FACT

The last time we played them, the difference in quality showed-FACT

I could go on, but me thinks you get the point

But if you look at this WC Germany have been doing a significantly better job.

Originally posted by Slay
On paper indeed.

But if you look at this WC Germany have been doing a significantly better job.

I agree, it shows they have had a better tournament than us, they have played better football (for once) but alot of that is down to it being on their home soil and having the fans behind them, it's amazing what great support can do!!!

My point is that we have better players, better reputation, and that 9 times out of ten we play better, more attractive football too

I stick by my guns of saying that in 2002 Germany had a much easier route to the final than Brazil/England did

I refuse to say that Germany are better than us, and that's not because i'm a "patriotic fool" it's because i'm a realist

Originally posted by Mattomic
I've explained it so many times to you before AC, why England are a better side than Germany, and it's getting tiresome to act like a broken record, so just get it into your head

We'll see, let's look at your post.

Originally posted by Mattomic
We have better players-FACT

A) It's not a fact, it's your opinion.

B) You're not giving any reasons. You run off at your mouth and make all these claims and offer no reasoning to back it up. England had their shittest tournament in recent memory, Germany are likely heading to the finals.

Originally posted by Mattomic
We are always considered firm favourites from pundits, ex-pros, media, not just in England-FACT

Of course they're not, and if they are it's due to hype. That's not a fact either, it's your opinion. Ruud Gullit didn't think they'd win it, Leonardo didn't, Ian Wright didn't even think they would. People were saying "We can", not "We will". Because everybody knows England won't win anything.

Mark Lawrenson said "You can write off the Germans", before the World Cup started. Where is he now? Eating some shut-up-pie I'd imagine.

"Rooney is going to get revenge! Fatty Ronaldo!" Yeah, no World Cup goals, a red card for thuggish violent conduct and a plane ticket home is all Rooney got from this World Cup. Ronaldo broke records, Klose is top goalscorer. England have...? At least they have the flags and passively racist anti-German songs, eh?

Originally posted by Mattomic
We have alot more matchwinners in our team-FACT

Name them, name why they are match winners.

Originally posted by Mattomic
Germany have been on a downward spiral for ages, no one has considered them anywhere near being a favourite to win any tournament since USA '94-FACT

So what? What does it matter how that are considered? They're in the semi-finals after winning all their games, a few of them very emphatically. They've put a flame to what was "considered" of them.

What have England won since 94? Germany have won things, what have England won?

This doesn't prove anything, I'm waiting for you to tell me why England are better. Now "They are, fact". Tell me why you believe it.

Originally posted by Mattomic
They're on home soil, and so are expected to do well-FACT

They do well every time. They've been in many finals, they've won 3 World Cups, Euro Cups. Not all of these were home soil, I might add.

Originally posted by Mattomic
The last time we played them, the difference in quality showed-FACT

Oh, the 5-1? The 5-1 that England fans so desperately clutch to their pathetic hearts? That tournament, England went out, Germany progressed much further. It was ONE game, Germany consistently show they are the better team. Their reputation proves it, their games prove it, their current team proves it.

When are YOU going to start proving things and providing back up?

Originally posted by Mattomic
I could go on, but me thinks you get the point

Don't chicken out. I asked you why England are better and all you've done is throw out statements, most of them biased and false, without any kind of back up.

Next time you reply, answer these questions:

1) Why are England the better team? (Explain in depth, and remember you also said Germany play better as a team).

2) Why do England have better match winners? (Again, explain in depth with reasons).

3) Who are these match winners, and why do you think they are match winners?

4) England get hyped, Germany don't. Germany do better, England always get knocked out. In the face of these facts, how can you claim England are better off reputation?

Originally posted by Mattomic
I refuse to say that Germany are better than us, and that's not because i'm a "patriotic fool" it's because i'm a realist

No, it's patriotic bias.

England playing attractive football? Are you even serious? They play the most boring football of possibly any country, technically speaking. Germany being better, for once? Once? England have won a World Cup once, Germany have won it three times away from home soil, Euro Cups away from home soil.

When are you going to drop the excuses and start realising that you talk out of your arse?

All you do is reply with "They're better, fact.". I'm proving to you why they're not.

-AC

why do you even bother replying AC? not gaining anything since everyone already realises he doesnt make any sense.

True facts, Df. True facts.

-AC

i feel sorry for this guy,who played with passion throughout 120 minutes

at the beginning of the world cup who would've beleived he'd be the only English player to score in a penalty shoot out

well he does have a bit of german in him. thats probably why he scored.

and i think that england are a better team than germany, its just down to shit manager, no motivation, shit tactics, shit choices etc.

Originally posted by Deano
and i think that england are a better team than germany, its just down to shit manager, no motivation, shit tactics, shit choices etc.

So basically, everything is shit except a few individual talents? Exactly. Shit TEAM, Germany are better.

I refuse to take anything you say as anything other than patriotic bs, because I've handed out concrete reasoning to refute your claims and all you and Mattomic ever do is say "Nah, England are better.". If you can't prove why you believe that, or refute my factual claims and statistics, then don't say it and expect it to be taken as anything other than patriotism.

Unless of course this is all off the back of a 5-1 win, once ever.

-AC

Originally posted by Df02
why do you even bother replying AC? not gaining anything since everyone already realises he doesnt make any sense.

Hahahaha!!! me thinks you and AC are the only ones who make no sense whatsoever!!!!

You're both ignorant, have no time for my opinion

I've stated the facts, not opinion, so just get over yourselves

England are better than Germany, simple as that

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So basically, everything is shit except a few individual talents? Exactly. Shit TEAM, Germany are better.

I refuse to take anything you say as anything other than patriotic bs, because I've handed out concrete reasoning to refute your claims and all you and Mattomic ever do is say "Nah, England are better.". If you can't prove why you believe that, or refute my factual claims and statistics, then don't say it and expect it to be taken as anything other than patriotism.

Unless of course this is all off the back of a 5-1 win, once ever.

-AC

no most things are shit because of a crap coach who dont know what he is doing.

so are germany better than brazil just because they got further?

if england have a decent manager who makes the right choices, then they can go far. germany have been better recently because they have had everything spot on.
when and if england ever get it right, they will be a much better team. but at this tournament, germany have been the better team yes, but england should of played much better. it was never gonna happen though was it? sven was too afraid to play lennon and drop becks.
sven couldnt realise that lampard and gerrard cant play togeher.

if england got everything right, then they would be far the better team than germany imo.

Originally posted by Deano
no most things are shit because of a crap coach who dont know what he is doing.

so are germany better than brazil just because they got further?

if england have a decent manager who makes the right choices, then they can go far. germany have been better recently because they have had everything spot on.
when and if england ever get it right, they will be a much better team. but at this tournament, germany have been the better team yes, but england should of played much better. it was never gonna happen though was it? sven was too afraid to play lennon and drop becks.
sven couldnt realise that lampard and gerrard cant play togeher.

if england got everything right, then they would be far the better team than germany imo.

Very well put and true to boot!!!!

Originally posted by Mattomic
Hahahaha!!! me thinks you and AC are the only ones who make no sense whatsoever!!!!

You're both ignorant, have no time for my opinion

I've stated the facts, not opinion, so just get over yourselves

England are better than Germany, simple as that

if theyre facts then prove them.
saying they're facts doesnt make them so, providing evidence as to why they are facts, does.

it has nothing to do with AC, lord knows i dont agree with alot of stuff AC says, but in this instance, you sound like an ignorant fool

the way ac is putting it is:

maniche is better than ronaldinho because he is having a better tournament

Originally posted by Deano
the way ac is putting it is:

maniche is better than ronaldinho because he is having a better tournament

and the way Mattomic is putting it is "everything i say is fact, i dont need to explain anything!!"

Because I have my own opinions, and I do not wish to have them criticised so therefore agressively stand by them

Had you gone through the constant vocab of AC saying "no, your opinion is stupid, go away" and stuff to that effect, then you'd start saying everything is a fact, just to shut him up

No matter how well I justify my opinions, he's all over me with constant crap, and he's wrong alot of the time

Originally posted by Deano
no most things are shit because of a crap coach who dont know what he is doing.

McClaren then, since Sven does nothing.

Originally posted by Deano
so are germany better than brazil just because they got further?

As it stands right now, no. They're better than Brazil because they are currently a better team. TEAM.

Brazil have much better individual talent, but right now Germany are the better team. Brazil are the most successful team ever, when it comes to football. That's a fact.

Originally posted by Deano
if england have a decent manager who makes the right choices, then they can go far. germany have been better recently because they have had everything spot on.

We'll compare England and Germany soon.

Originally posted by Deano
when and if england ever get it right, they will be a much better team. but at this tournament, germany have been the better team yes, but england should of played much better. it was never gonna happen though was it? sven was too afraid to play lennon and drop becks.
sven couldnt realise that lampard and gerrard cant play togeher.

They also played shit, didn't they? They had poor games against shit teams.

Originally posted by Deano
if england got everything right, then they would be far the better team than germany imo.

Hahahaha, how pathetic do you want to get? "If England got everything right...".

If I had the right numbers on my lottery ticket I'd be a millionaire.

-AC

Mattomic, this is for you, since you're so chicken shit to post your opinions and back them up:

England International Honours:

WC Participations: 11 (1950, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998, 2002).

WC Honours: World Champions (1966).

Continental Titles: None.

Germany International Honours:

WC Participations: 15 (1934, 1938, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002).

WC Honours: Three Times World Champions (1954, 1974, 1990). Possibly a fourth.

Continental Titles: Three Times European Champions (1972, 1980, 1996).

Not to mention how many finals they've been in.

Go home, go to bed, come back when you have shit to back yourself up with.

2006 World Cup? England are out, again. Germany have to beat Italy to reach the finals, then France or Portugal. They played better, by your admission, by Deano's admission, the were written off. As opposed to England who were overhyped.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
McClaren then, since Sven does nothing.

As it stands right now, no. They're better than Brazil because they are currently a better team. TEAM.

Brazil have much better individual talent, but right now Germany are the better team. Brazil are the most successful team ever, when it comes to football. That's a fact.

We'll compare England and Germany soon.

They also played shit, didn't they? They had poor games against shit teams.

Hahahaha, how pathetic do you want to get? "If England got everything right...".

If I had the right numbers on my lottery ticket I'd be a millionaire.

-AC

if england went head to head with germany, and both teams played there best, england would come off. simple as that.

so maniche has played better than ronaldinho this tournament, is maniche the better player?

Originally posted by Deano
if england went head to head with germany, and both teams played there best, england would come off. simple as that.

Based on what? The best we've seen of England was 1966, and Germany weren't at their best then, but if they were (Lehmann, Ballack etc) then it'd be a different story.

When someone picks at your argument close enough, you can't reply because you're forced to realise that you base it on nothing and hope that nobody thinks to question.

Originally posted by Deano
so maniche has played better than ronaldinho this tournament, is maniche the better player?

He's been the better player in the tournament, yes. Not overall.

Just like Germany have been better this tournament, but have also been better overall, as I just proved with that massive list of facts.

You're arguing out of desperation, with nothing more than one of those cartoon napkins wrapped around a stick. If it makes you feel better inside, keep telling yourself England are better, keep telling yourself that anyone who disagrees is stupid.

Everyone here can see you nor Mattomic make any sense. That "If England did everything right..." comment was the icing on the cake.

-AC