Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You might disagree but according to his bio thats the situation:http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/6418124763.jpg&s=x10
Matching someone h2h in a fight doesnt equate you to them strength wise. ❌
it's true it's listed in the bio, so does adam warlock's mere 40. But in the comics, official strength levels are always inaccurate 90% of the time.
and the last fight that i listed wasn't only h2h, he overpowered thor and was choking him, a class 100 guy.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
it's true it's listed in the bio, so does adam warlock's mere 40. But in the comics, official strength levels are always inaccurate 90% of the time.and the last fight that i listed wasn't only h2h, he overpowered thor and was choking him, a class 100 guy.
* Yahman bangs his head against a Class 100 wall *
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
it's true it's listed in the bio, so does adam warlock's mere 40. But in the comics, official strength levels are always inaccurate 90% of the time.and the last fight that i listed wasn't only h2h, he overpowered thor and was choking him, a class 100 guy.
Can all be explained away. Firelord was bloodlusted, Thor wasnt fighting to the best of his ability. Advantage Firelord. Doesnt conclusively prove Firelord is beyond class 50. Lifting feats do that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can all be explained away. Firelord was bloodlusted, Thor wasnt fighting to the best of his ability. Advantage Firelord. Doesnt conclusively prove Firelord is beyond class 50. Lifting feats do that.
If Fire Lord can only lift 50 tons, he is an Ant in comparisson to Thor. I dont care how Blood Lusted he is, Ants dont beat Gods !!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
A class 100 getting overpowered by a guy half his strength and taking so long to brake out of a chokehold, i doubt that. It would've been true if it was only him but there was also a double team w/ hercules and an angry drax pounding on him instances.
Can still be explained away. Firelord is bloodlusted. Thor isnt. The other powerhouses pounding on him simultaneously is a durability feat not a strength one. Regardless these instances you cite are not conclusive proof if need be they can be explained away by writers whether to your satisfaction or not that is irrelevant. You have no conclusive proof, no multiple lifting feats to suggest otherwise therefore your contrary opinion really isnt enough. The bio says he cosmically empowers himself to class 50, its an official source and with no on panel evidence to conclusively contradict that beyond all doubt as hard as it is to take your opinion cant be treated as fact in this debate. Official sources all the way. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can still be explained away. Firelord is bloodlusted. Thor isnt. The other powerhouses pounding on him simultaneously is a durability feat not a strength one. Regardless these instances you cite are not conclusive proof if need be they can be explained away by writers whether to your satisfaction or not that is irrelevant. You have no conclusive proof, no multiple lifting feats to suggest otherwise therefore your contrary opinion really isnt enough. The bio says he cosmically empowers himself to class 50, its an official source and with no on panel evidence to conclusively contradict that beyond all doubt as hard as it is to take your opinion cant be treated as fact in this debate. Official sources all the way. 😉
Then this proves beyond a doubt that Supes would murder Thor. Supes does not get matched by Class 50 characters !!!!!!!!
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
If Fire Lord can only lift 50 tons, he is an Ant in comparisson to Thor. I dont care how Blood Lusted he is, Ants dont beat Gods !!!!!!!!
They werent arm wrestling, they werent engaged in tug of war, it wasnt a direct test of strength between the two so its really not as simple as that. Firelord managed to get Thor into a chokehold and Thor eventually broke free due to his superior strength. Is that conclusive evidence of Firelord being way beyond class 50? ❌
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They werent arm wrestling, they werent engaged in tug of war, it wasnt a direct test of strength between the two so its really not as simple as that. Firelord managed to get Thor into a chokehold and Thor eventually broke free due to his superior strength. Is that conclusive evidence of Firelord being way beyond class 50? ❌
Yes ........Ants cant put Gods in chokeholds.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Then this proves beyond a doubt that Supes would murder Thor. Supes does not get matched by Class 50 characters !!!!!!!!
Not in the slightest as it wasnt a test of strength between Firelord and Thor. On top of that everyone knows Supes is stronger than Thor anyway due to the canon crossover wherein it was shown in what actually was a direct test of strength, not a chokehold or a headlock.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not in the slightest as it wasnt a test of strength between Firelord and Thor. On top of that everyone knows Supes is stronger than Thor anyway due to the canon crossover wherein it was shown in what actually was a direct test of strength, not a chokehold or a headlock.
A Class 50 Chokehold, would feel like a Summer breeze to Supes, it would not put him in any form of discomfort what so ever, Unlike Thor.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
A Class 50 Chokehold, would feel like a Summer breeze to Supes, it would not put him in any form of discomfort what so ever, Unlike Thor.
Given the fact that Marvel has a habit of writing situations where characters match up well to others whom they really shouldnt do given their power set your point is moot. Is Spiderman way beyond class 15 is Wolverine way beyond 800lbs lifting ability, is Johnny Storm way above normal human strength level. The list is vast. You have nothing conclusive so let it go. The instances cited are open to interpretation, they are inconclusive they do not feature direct tests of strength, there are no lifting feats. You have nothing to go on but ego. Let it go. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can still be explained away. Firelord is bloodlusted. Thor isnt. The other powerhouses pounding on him simultaneously is a durability feat not a strength one. Regardless these instances you cite are not conclusive proof if need be they can be explained away by writers whether to your satisfaction or not that is irrelevant. You have no conclusive proof, no multiple lifting feats to suggest otherwise therefore your contrary opinion really isnt enough. The bio says he cosmically empowers himself to class 50, its an official source and with no on panel evidence to conclusively contradict that beyond all doubt as hard as it is to take your opinion cant be treated as fact in this debate. Official sources all the way. 😉
man, you know very well as i do TOHOTMU is a pile of useless crap strewn together to try to make sense of things that defy physics. That's probably one advantage DC has over MU, which they don't try to serve inaccuracy written to make it seem they're more complex.
Anyway it's not a tug of war, it's more like a hand grapple. Heck, even thor comment they must've been gnats to him on the fight w/ herc h2h with firelord.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given the fact that Marvel has a habit of writing situations where characters match up well to others whom they really shouldnt do given their power set your point is moot. Is Spiderman way beyond class 15 is Wolverine way beyond 800lbs lifting ability, is Johnny Storm way above normal human strength level. The list is vast. You have nothing conclusive so let it go. The instances cited are open to interpretation, they are inconclusive they do not feature direct tests of strength, there are no lifting feats. You have nothing to go on but ego. Let it go. 😉
Or maybe the writer didn't read the Bio, or ignored it taking into consideration that Fire Lord is a Herald of Galactus with near limitless power, and decided that he was probably nearly as strong as Thor.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
man, you know very well as i do TOHOTMU is a pile of useless crap strewn together to try to make sense of things that defy physics. That's probably one advantage DC has over MU, which they don't try to serve inaccuracy written to make it seem they're more complex.Anyway it's not a tug of war, it's more like a hand grapple. Heck, even thor comment they must've been gnats to him on the fight w/ herc h2h with firelord.
Agreed .... Gnats, Ants or whatever other insectual metaphor you want to use, they dont give power houses like Thor and Herc 'good fights'.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
man, you know very well as i do TOHOTMU is a pile of useless crap strewn together to try to make sense of things that defy physics. That's probably one advantage DC has over MU, which they don't try to serve inaccuracy written to make it seem they're more complex.Anyway it's not a tug of war, it's more like a hand grapple. Heck, even thor comment they must've been gnats to him on the fight w/ herc h2h with firelord.
Maybe ive misinterpreted the last bit of your post but if Thor said that about Firelord then thats really not helping your case.
Agreed the handbooks arent always the most accurate resources however nothing short of lifting feats or a direct test of strength against a class 100 powerhouse is enough im afraid. Combat feats arent conclusive. If they were then Wolverine would be class 100. Officially hes class 50 so for debating purposes thats all we can use in debates.
