Originally posted by stormfront13
1) a bio-blast is not electrical, therefore everyone on your team is vulnerable to that attack. if it was electrical it wouldn't have ever affected storm or knocked her out.
How can it possibly not be electrical? her powers are all electrical, it says so in both the profiles you submitted
Originally posted by stormfront13
2) I'm not turning invisible by affecting your teammates, that was to make them go blind. phantazia is just using a cloaking field around her teammates which makes them invisible.
I can't remember if you showed any scans for Phantazia's "invisibility".... if you have one can you post (or re-post) it.
You are now saying she casts a cloaking field around them... but you have Mimic and Aurora flying top speed to attack..... if this field is supposed to keep them covered then it would have to stretch over a mile in diameter.... which would take a hell of a lot of effort, probably cause holes in the field, weaken Phantazia (PZ from now on)..... and it would cover my team as well
Other than that there still really is no way you can be sure PZ's abilities to cloak herself will effect any member of my team for the variety of reasons i gave earlier
Originally posted by stormfront13
3)iron-man is susceptible to heat. Vs. the Melter and Firebrand the armor was melted, and major circuits were fused together. a few times Tony almost got cooked as well.
Firebrand's heat is so much more than anything you have access to that it's not even funny..... i'll put up a scan in a little while..... but basically he can vaporise huge amounts of earth and rock instantly.
Originally posted by stormfront13
4)phantazia will have some affect on iron-man. yes he dishes out emp's, but that does not mean he is immune to them...just resistant. think of it this way. if i shot you, would that suddenly make me immune to getting shot? no....however i could be wearing a bullet proof vest but being shot still does damage even in a vest.
No... bad analogy.... if you had said:
"I shoot myself in the head with no damage does that mean i'm immune to being shot?"
.....then it would have been a lot closer... and the answer would be yes (probably..... unless you're Hammerhead)
EMPs are omni-directional..... if you're going to emit one from an electronic device, that device would have to be hardened against them to continue functioning.... like IM's armour does
Originally posted by stormfront13
5)have you ever seen the scan where cyke destroys a sentinel a well as an entire forest? now with more power, and releasing it right away do you honestly think that charcoal and hermod would still be standing?
Yes!
First, Mimic only has half Cyc's power and i'm still unconvinced that he can absorb electricity.... can anyone back you up on that? scans, in English, would be nice
Second, Charcoal is diamond hard and super strong (class 50ish) he can take it... especially when IM's field would take the brunt, Hermod is behind everyone else and has godly resistance to injury... he'll be fine
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Originally posted by stormfront13
hermod is too closed in to use any attack advantage against aurora. however aurora has the whole sky as well as three powerful long range attacks. also charcoal is not that useful either. a couple bio-blasts and he's taken out and pushed off the train.
Hermod's too fast fro her long range attacks... she'll have to come in close to fight
"Bio-blasts" are electrical, Charcoal's completely non-conductive they won't do a thing to him
...or in a minute.
Here it is:
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/50/feat15cn.gif
So, basically, he can absorb lightning, but large amounts cause him pain. 😬
Ok, cool.... so his blast powered a machine that gave those guys back their light (or something)
Seems the effort drained the hell out of him ... 🙂
If you do that with Mimic he can still only get up to IM's level of energy blast at the max.... but starting out from only half Cyclop's power i doubt it would get that high.... either way it's nothing my shields can't handle..... and it appears that Mimic would be useless after that first blast.... for at least ten minutes or so
It's a good thing that Thunderstrike can blast that powerful all day long without tiring or draining his energy supply
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Originally posted by Dizzle
^^ This is dedication. SF, if nothing else, you're insanely hardcore. Condolences to you, and props for still, among everything else, finding time to post. Well done.
thanks... I'm just hoping that posting will take my mind off of the situation.
Ya man, I know how you feel (my grandfather died the day I won to ill) and its hard to battle sometimes, but it gets my mind off things. Hope you and your gramps are ok and keep up the good work for as long as you can!!
thanks, i finally got him to see some of his friends today. ever since the funeral all he's wanted to do is sit around, look at old photos, and watch old home movies. i feel very bad for him, i just hope seeing his friends makes him feel better.
How can it possibly not be electrical? her powers are all electrical, it says so in both the profiles you submitted
no, it states she manipulates electro-magnetic fields. her bio-blast is an energy form that isn't electrical. yes, she manipulates em fields but that doesn't mean all she can do is play with electricity and such.
You are now saying she casts a cloaking field around them... but you have Mimic and Aurora flying top speed to attack..... if this field is supposed to keep them covered then it would have to stretch over a mile in diameter.... which would take a hell of a lot of effort, probably cause holes in the field, weaken Phantazia (PZ from now on)..... and it would cover my team as well
no, your misunderstanding, she's placing a specific field around the individuals on her team. not one over the whole battlefield, just round her teammates.
but basically he can vaporise huge amounts of earth and rock instantly.
vin has the same amount of power at her hands also
EMPs are omni-directional..... if you're going to emit one from an electronic device, that device would have to be hardened against them to continue functioning.... like IM's armour does
im's armor is just resistant to emp's, not immune, he's been shown to be affected by them in the past.
First, Mimic only has half Cyc's power
and powered up by electricity would make it equal in power and more than likely surpassed.
Second, Charcoal is diamond hard and super strong (class 50ish) he can take it... especially when IM's field would take the brunt, Hermod is behind everyone else and has godly resistance to injury... he'll be fine
charcoal has been hurt by energy attacks easy in the past, and even though hermdo is still standing behind someone he can still be hit, and hermod can still be hurt by energy attacks, he isn't uneatable.
Hermod's too fast fro her long range attacks... she'll have to come in close to fight
not when your attacks move at the speed of light
"Bio-blasts" are electrical, Charcoal's completely non-conductive they won't do a thing to him
their not electrical, their a form of energy that is different from electricity. i don't have the scan to prove it, but if it were electricity it would have never knocked storm out in one hit.
and it appears that Mimic would be useless after that first blast
actually no, with healing factor and endurance he wouldn't be drained.
It's a good thing that Thunderstrike can blast that powerful all day long without tiring or draining his energy supply
this would only power mimic up, if he keeps releasing an optic blast continually as thunderstrike hits him it would never really drain him.
anyway, it is still going to be 2 on 4 in the first 2 or 3 minutes of the fight.
Originally posted by stormfront13
no, it states she manipulates electro-magnetic fields. her bio-blast is an energy form that isn't electrical.
Yes it is... all her powers are electrical
Originally posted by stormfront13
no, your misunderstanding, she's placing a specific field around the individuals on her team. not one over the whole battlefield, just round her teammates.
And you also said your team is splitting up... so for her to keep the field around them it will have to cover everywhere they go
Originally posted by stormfront13
vin has the same amount of power at her hands also
As Firebrand?.... she's not even close
Originally posted by stormfront13
im's armor is just resistant to emp's, not immune, he's been shown to be affected by them in the past.
Which is why he's improved his armour to be extremely resistant.... electro-girl wont be a problem
Originally posted by stormfront13
and powered up by electricity would make it equal in power and more than likely surpassed.
I doubt it.... even if it did there are still caps on power output.... and it'll totally drain Mimic leaving him useless for a while
Originally posted by stormfront13
charcoal has been hurt by energy attacks easy in the past
Not often.... and never by electricity
Originally posted by stormfront13
this would only power mimic up, if he keeps releasing an optic blast continually as thunderstrike hits him it would never really drain him.
So now your claiming Mimic can absorb Asgardian magical blasts as well? ... 😕
Originally posted by stormfront13
anyway, it is still going to be 2 on 4 in the first 2 or 3 minutes of the fight.
yeah.... Mimic drains himself and TS blasts the hell out of Aurora
Originally posted by Scoobless
Yes it is... all her powers are electrical
prove it, magneto also gets his powers from manipulating em fields, but people don't consider all of his powers electrical/magnetic, he has powerful energy powers as well. and if all her powers were electrical then why was she able to knock out storm so easily.
And you also said your team is splitting up... so for her to keep the field around them it will have to cover everywhere they go
yes, they are splitting up but as i said she is putting an individual field around each of her teammates.
As Firebrand?.... she's not even close
i was referring to the whole melting the earth statement. you said he was so powerful he could melt pieces of the earth instantly, and i responded that vindicator could also do that. either was tonys suit has melted from opponents weaker than firebrand.
Which is why he's improved his armour to be extremely resistant.... electro-girl wont be a problem
he's not as resistant as your making him out to be, his suit has been shut down several times in the past. she can at least weaken him enough so that he can't absorb heat.
I doubt it.... even if it did there are still caps on power output.... and it'll totally drain Mimic leaving him useless for a while
mimic wouldn't be drained, he still has the whole healing factor, and endurance thing that cyclops didn't.
Not often
enough that we know he would be severely weakened if not taken out by a wide-range optic blast
So now your claiming Mimic can absorb Asgardian magical blasts as well? ...
i thought you meant that ts would strike mimic with lightning, which mimic could absorb. either way he wouldn't know where to blast, and it wouldn't get through the two force-fields.
yeah.... Mimic drains himself and TS blasts the hell out of Aurora
nope, both mimic and aurora are in powerful force-fields and invisible, how would TS know where to strike. anyway, both hermod and charcoal are taken out by the optic blast or by phantazia and aurora.
Originally posted by stormfront13
prove it, magneto also gets his powers from manipulating em fields, but people don't consider all of his powers electrical/magnetic, he has powerful energy powers as well. and if all her powers were electrical then why was she able to knock out storm so easily.yes, they are splitting up but as i said she is putting an individual field around each of her teammates.
i was referring to the whole melting the earth statement. you said he was so powerful he could melt pieces of the earth instantly, and i responded that vindicator could also do that. either was tonys suit has melted from opponents weaker than firebrand.
he's not as resistant as your making him out to be, his suit has been shut down several times in the past. she can at least weaken him enough so that he can't absorb heat.
mimic wouldn't be drained, he still has the whole healing factor, and endurance thing that cyclops didn't.
enough that we know he would be severely weakened if not taken out by a wide-range optic blast
i thought you meant that ts would strike mimic with lightning, which mimic could absorb. either way he wouldn't know where to blast, and it wouldn't get through the two force-fields.
nope, both mimic and aurora are in powerful force-fields and invisible, how would TS know where to strike. anyway, both hermod and charcoal are taken out by the optic blast or by phantazia and aurora.
But for this 'wide range' optic blast to be effective your hitting your teammates, and didn't you say earlier on that their was no invisibility forcefields. A retcons been used methinks.....
Originally posted by grey fox
But for this 'wide range' optic blast to be effective your hitting your teammates, and didn't you say earlier on that their was no invisibility forcefields. A retcons been used methinks.....
no, the optic blast is going on while my teammates are still behind me. mimic is unleashing it the second the fight starts. i don't recall ever saying that there was no invisibility forcefields, if i did, then i was wrong because she can
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerAnd he can't store it for long periods of time. But he can do it.
...or in a minute.Here it is:
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/50/feat15cn.gifSo, basically, he can absorb lightning, but large amounts cause him pain. 😬
Although interestingly people were saying in the Cyke vs. Storm thread that this doesn't conclusively prove he can do it.
In any event Mimic is not Cyclops, he has half his ability, and he'd only have the opportunity to be charged up in such a manner in prep, right before the fight start, at which point he would only have a single opportunity to fire it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In any event Mimic is not Cyclops, he has half his ability, and he'd only have the opportunity to be charged up in such a manner in prep, right before the fight start, at which point he would only have a single opportunity to fire it.
which is what is going to happen. also, in new avengers tonys armor was pierced by a single sword, my team can definitely take him.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1059159xs.jpg
here's the scan...one blast and his armor is severly weakened. a couple blasts, and his armor is done. i already posted the scan where vindicator melts very durable metal bars in less than a second.
Originally posted by stormfront13
prove it, magneto also gets his powers from manipulating em fields, but people don't consider all of his powers electrical/magnetic
You prove that it isn't, it's your character and your bios that say her powers are electrical
All of Magneto's powers do stem from his control of magnetism
Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, they are splitting up but as i said she is putting an individual field around each of her teammates.
and if they move she has to expand the field to keep them covered.... these fields can't exist independently of her
Originally posted by stormfront13
i was referring to the whole melting the earth statement. you said he was so powerful he could melt pieces of the earth instantly, and i responded that vindicator could also do that.
I said "vaporise" ..... not melt ..... Firebrand is in another league altogether when it comes to heat projection
IM's suit can handle way more than Vindicator's
Originally posted by stormfront13
he's not as resistant as your making him out to be, his suit has been shut down several times in the past. she can at least weaken him enough so that he can't absorb heat.
No she can't because her invisibility trick wont work and she'll get taken out early..... and it's not like IM is just going to wait around and see how much heat he can take... he's going to blast the sh!t out of your team
Originally posted by stormfront13
mimic wouldn't be drained, he still has the whole healing factor, and endurance thing that cyclops didn't.
which is why i only said he'd be drained for ten minutes.... he's still going to be exhausted
Originally posted by stormfront13
enough that we know he would be severely weakened if not taken out by a wide-range optic blast
we know that? why don't you post a scan showing it or something similar... or at least give an issue number? i've shown him taking energy blasts with no problems so far:
Ice Blast:
Concussive Blast:
Sound Blast:
Electrical & Concussive Blasts:
Some type of Blast that was designed to take him down:
Lightning Strike:
Originally posted by stormfront13
I thought you meant that ts would strike mimic with lightning, which mimic could absorb. either way he wouldn't know where to blast, and it wouldn't get through the two force-fields.
HE would know because he can see your team..... and i'm pretty sure it would get through your force fields.... it got through IM 2020's field easily enough:
Originally posted by stormfront13
which is what is going to happen. also, in new avengers tonys armor was pierced by a single sword, my team can definitely take him.
PIS events aren't allowed here..... and that is one of the biggest cases of PIS in recent years
Originally posted by stormfront13
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv1059159xs.jpghere's the scan...one blast and his armor is severly weakened. a couple blasts, and his armor is done. i already posted the scan where vindicator melts very durable metal bars in less than a second.
good thing that he's using a vastly improved armour that makes that old one look like a rusty can opener
Originally posted by Scoobless
You prove that it isn't, it's your character and your bios that say her powers are electricalAll of Magneto's powers do stem from his control of magnetism
you can't prove that the boi-blast is electrical either, your guessing. if the bio-blast was electrical, then it wouldn't have knocked out storm in one hit. and yes, magnetos powers stem from his ability to control magnetism...that was my point. he can still use other types of energy attacks even though his powers are based on magnnetism.
and if they move she has to expand the field to keep them covered.... these fields can't exist independently of her
if they move, the field moves with them...i've already said this.
No she can't because her invisibility trick wont work and she'll get taken out early..... and it's not like IM is just going to wait around and see how much heat he can take... he's going to blast the sh!t out of your team
prove it won't work. we both know his suit has been disabled in the past and there is no reason phantazia could stay hidden from his sensors consdiering no sensor has even been able to track her before. IM probably won't sit around, but when he can't tell where my team is and they are all packed in twop force-fields, it's doubtful he's going to hit anything.
which is why i only said he'd be drained for ten minutes.... he's still going to be exhausted
no he's not, because he isn't using the same amount of power
HE would know because he can see your team..... and i'm pretty sure it would get through your force fields.... it got through IM 2020's field easily enough:
hw could he see the team? honestly, you haven't provided anything to say he could. also, none of the blasts were similar to the bio-blast.
Originally posted by stormfront13
you can't prove that the boi-blast is electrical either, your guessing. if the bio-blast was electrical, then it wouldn't have knocked out storm in one hit.
Bio blasts can be one of two things , chemical blasts or electrical blasts. The scan shows an electrical blast . Therefore it is a Bio-electric blast.
...and how is storm suddenly immune to electricity hmm ?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
she always has been hasnt she? I mean shes immune to her powers......right? 😕
Not that i know of. That holds as much weight with me as the 'cyclops can absorb electricity to power himself' bullshit.
....and that scan was a load of crap too , from a decade when they thought you could ride in a spaceship powered my magnetic rays....
