WTF?! No Visual Effects?

Oh. Well then..... cut out half of what I had said.
Replace with this:

King Kong is a stupid over rated movie, just like how Peter Jackson is over rated. In the LOTR movies, there werent even proper battles, just good special effects and sieges (most fights entail a horse knocking over a little slimy monster while the rider sits there asleep). King Kong's special effects were NO MATCH for Star War's. The beginning space battle was UNBEATABLE and the shoot out between the natives and the sailors was not even on the same calibre the lightsaber to lightsaber and other fights in star wars. the only good special effects part in King Kong was Kong fighting those Tyranosaurs and that ridiculous stampede of Apatasaurs. Practically ALL of Star Wars was filmed infront of a blue/green screen; no other movie can even HOPE to compare with the special effects of star wars, nevermind KING KONG.

Eh, people vote for the director of the movie they want to work with next.

That way they can say at the next Hollywood Party. "Loved your work on 'Kong.' I voted for you ya know. Let's do lunch."

They'd say that even if they didn't vote for them...

Well I thought King Kong was an excellent movie, but I'll agree that the special effects came no where close to matching Star Wars.

My take on visual effects:

In the end, it’s just about realizing the creator’s vision on the screen…and often sacrificing realism in the process.

Think about some of the effects, sets, etc…in the OT that managed to look realistic that people always reference when they complain about “effects these days”…and compare those to the stuff people complain about in the NT that looks weird, or like it’s not there, or like a cartoon, etc…

The worst example that comes to mind from the latest Star Wars effort is the scene in ROTS when those walkers on Kashyyk are looking for survivors or Kenobi or whatever. That’s basically a really souped up after-school Star Wars cartoon, that is. But think about how much stuff is going on in that scene that would be too hard or too time consuming to create without CG-ing it…and having to put aside time for some of the other billion more complicated, more important stuff in the movie that Lucas wants to put in there.

At the end of the day it’s quantity over quality. As a SW fan…which one do you want?

I’ll take quantity thanks.

Originally posted by Darth Sadistic
There were more characters to make up, but I thought the overall quality and consistency in Narnia was better. Of course, the whole process is a mess anyway, so you can't always expect the best of the best to win or even get nominated. Narnia should have at least gotten a nomination for Best Score and was passed over.

Still, at least they got some recognition, which is tough for fantasy films to get at the Oscars, especially fantasy films with so much of the production crew and cast from outside of the States. I'm just glad they won something, it was a great piece of work.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
At the end of the day it’s quantity over quality. As a SW fan…which one do you want?

I’ll take quantity thanks.

I much prefer the smaller battle on Hoth and the ground battle on Endor to the Geonosian battle... because it's more real. I love the OT because it immerses me in the Star Wars world... it transports me to another place. It's hard for the PT to do that with 90% of the screen screaming at me "LOOK I'M MADE OF PIXELS!"

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
You have got to be kidding me. Star Wars score has always and will always be best. And is that even a category?

Yes, score is a category, and the SW score was great as well. However, a good portion of it was from previous films and I think that's why it wasn't nominated. Williams was nominated for Best Score for his work on at least one other film though.

Originally posted by Darth Sadistic
Yes, score is a category, and the SW score was great as well. However, a good portion of it was from previous films and I think that's why it wasn't nominated. Williams was nominated for Best Score for his work on at least one other film though.

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
They only had like one from TPM(Duel of fates), one (Across the stars) from AOTC which we only hear for a few times in the middle of two new musical pieces (Padme's ruminations) and (Anakins dream). One from ESB, during (Anakin vs. Obi-Wan). And one from ANH (The binary sunset). The rest was all new. What should have been nominated was Battle of the heroes. What won anyways?

Indeed.

Look at the ROTS soundtrack CD.

Track 1-all new

Track 2- all new (has love theme from EP2, but played with just violins)

Track 3- Battle of the Heroes (WTFpwns)

Track 4- all new

Track 5- all new

Track 6-all new (crazy Tibetan monk chanting)

Track 8-all new (haunting music of anakins choice in the council chambers. Reminded me of the Holocaust or something.)

Track 10-all new

Etc......

I think that the gay cowboys won.

Lol thank you sithsaber mostly all of it is new, as I said before. And that's proof that the adademy is biased. Seriously nobody watched Brokeback mountain and yet is nominated for best score, WTF!? 🤨

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Quality. By friggin miles.

I much prefer the smaller battle on Hoth and the ground battle on Endor to the Geonosian battle... because it's more real. I love the OT because it immerses me in the Star Wars world... it transports me to another place. It's hard for the PT to do that with 90% of the screen screaming at me "LOOK I'M MADE OF PIXELS!"

Hey DeVi| D0do. How's it goin...

First I wanna say tnx for being such a cool cat way back when Ep.III came out...you're solid.

As for my retort...I totally know where you're coming from, but think of these three points...

1). If Lucas didn't use quanity over quality and didn't make sure he had a green card in delivering his vision onto the big screen, Eps I, II, and III would have been toooootally different...and by this I mean who knows HOW MUCH of the cool stuff we saw in those films (could be anything...podracers, curuscant speeder chase, an Acklay) wouldn't be in there because he would be spending time on fewer things making them look really good. I'd rather have the whole package, than a small (better looking) package (can't have both 'cause of budget and time).

2). As for something like the Geonosian battle, if you're a kid (like we were during OT) and you're watching that for the first time, I can bet you'd be transported....and I think we forget that sometimes.

3). How will we ever get to a point where CG effects are consistnely believable if we don't take steps to work towards it? Some of the CG effects in Ep. III are pretty much the bomb. If they didn't make all those efforts "hit and miss" in Eps I and II, how would they get to (ex: the tower being taken out during the Federation Cruiser crash landing) being so kick ass now?

Just some thoughts.

Heres my thouhgt on the battles... things like Yavin, Hoth, and Endor are completely developed because they were so small AND MORE IMPORTANTLY...they main characters were heavily involved in them. In the prequels, main characters are never in the battles, maybe save Anakin and JarJar in Naboo, but they still weren't the alphs characters. This make the battels seem weak...they're just going on. The Clone wars are suposed to be a BACKDROP to the event of the prequel trilogy (unfortunately as the clones are perhaps the coolest charaters in SW ant yes they could kick imp a$$...and their armor is better). THing like Geonosis are large scale battles typical of the clone wars, not little imperial assults (thing AMerican Civil War versus guerilla warfare in C.America in the 80's). Therefore that batle are not as well developed and since they all lack major characters, there is even less reason to develop them. All the prequel battles lacked STRATEGY...which is something that the OT clearly had in each battle. THis makes it seem fake. YOu start to see this in the Endor Space battle too.

So I let my brain fill in the gaps.

Remeber....they were two very different wars!

Don't underestiamate the power of the pixel!. THe OT was about
grunge industrial imperialism. The PT is about illusionary neo-romanticsm. The special effects fit each trilogy perfectly. Neither should be slammed!

Alliance, in the space battle for ROTS it ONLY focused on Obi-Wan and Anakin. You see Oddball's cockpit once or twice. But I liked YAvin's battle better where we saw the cockpits of Wedge Antilles, Porkins, Biggs and Luke. Geonosis was largely centered around Anakin and Obi-Wan, right up until they get into the gunship. Naboo had many scenes with Jar jar. Hoth was only focused on Luke, and a few cockpit shots of the other pilots. Endor was focused on Han, Leia, Chewie, Wedge, Lando and Ewoks who get a heck of a lot of screen time. As I said before about Yavin, Luke was not really the one being focused on until the trech run.

I somewhat agree with you...

Kenobi and Anakin did almos zero fighting in the Battle fo Coruscant. They spend moset of their time flying towards the Invisible Hand a mumbling stilted dialogue. They barely shoot anything. Once they're on the IH, then its different, but its hardly a military battle. They showed complete lack of strategy. I'd dubb it the skirmish on the hand. It's hardly epic like the conflicts titled BATTLE OF <insert planet name>

Same in Geonosis. Kenobi and Anakin don't fight at all...they just ride in the gunship. You are focusing on the charater's presence, not the combat. In Hoth and Endor, the main characters actually fire blasters. They are engaged in combat, not witnessing it.

However, you do bring up a good point about Yavin. Much of the battle is not focused on Luke <mmm...trench run> I'll have to think about this. Your Naboo also might work, because there is large scale coordination arranged by Amidala and Jinn

But still in general the OT has smaller, yet more developed battles centered around protagonist combat and direct military stategy revelaed though the main character involvement.

In the PT, the battles are larger, yet less developed and less protagonist based, serving more as a backdrop for events. Less strategy is revealed and chatacters are not as involved as soldiers.

I agree. Naboo was the most organized attack of the PT. In the arena on Geonosis it was really focused on Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, Mace and Jango. So I thought it was fine. Because soon after was the lightsaber duel, between Dooku, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda. In ROTS it was such a massive space battle but it only focused on Anakin and Obi-Wan, who don't do much shooting. It was really dissapointing, but then right after were two fight scenes. I thought it made up for it, but I still would have rather had it a three hour movie and had a real battle.