616 Namor vs Ultimate Colossus, but with a twist!

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616 Namor vs Ultimate Colossus, but with a twist!

This is a setup to a tournament I'm creating, and this is Namor vs Ultimate Colossus, but in a wrestling ring! No flying, but grappling, punches, and so forth. I'm coming up with a 16 man tourney like this, so I figured I'd have a good warm up. Here's the rules:

No flying, No leaving the Arena. Arena setup is as such: Crimson Bands of Cyttorak line the outside of the ring, and the ring itself is made of thick adamantium, but the ropes are made of some stretchy substance that can't break. Ummmm, the ropes are Reed Richards? Nah. Just something real stretchy that can't break.

Anyway, Who wins this fight, and what would be the move before the pin?

Ultimate Colossus, hands down.

Can Namor still use his speed and agility?

I don't see how it would help him, considering they're in a 20X20' ring. I don't think he possesses the power to even faze Ultimate Colossus.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can Namor still use his speed and agility?

Yes, he can. Speed, agility, and so forth factor into a fight like this. Also, DC, who would Namor partner with in a tag team match if he had to?

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't see how it would help him, considering they're in a 20X20' ring. I don't think he possesses the power to even faze Ultimate Colossus.

...sure thing, buddy:
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Namor is stronger then Ultimate Colossus. Better fighter. More experienced. Faster.

Ultimate Colossus is more durable, but not THAT much durable.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Yes, he can. Speed, agility, and so forth factor into a fight like this. Also, DC, who would Namor partner with in a tag team match if he had to?
Perhaps with Thor. Or Hulk. Or Thing. All are good friends of Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
...sure thing, buddy:
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Namor is stronger then Ultimate Colossus. Better fighter. More experienced. Faster.

Ultimate Colossus is more durable, but not THAT much durable.

Namor is not stronger than Ult. Colossus DC. That's your opinion. His feats pale in comparison to Ult. Colossus.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor is not stronger than Ult. Colossus DC. That's your opinion. His feats pale in comparison to Ult. Colossus.

Tell me one feat that puts Ultimate Colossus above Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Tell me one feat that puts Ultimate Colossus above Namor.
I was just gonna ask you that. Their strength is even at best. Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub half filled with water and carried it miles to shore in Namors realm. Can Namor do a similar feat on dry land? Probably not cause he would get weaker and weaker.

Fighting skills I call even also. Namor can fight I'm not saying that but Colossus was a hit man for the Russian Mob and has extensive training in the danger room. I know you won't like this but Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

Tough fight though. 50/50.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

where do i find the stats?

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
where do i find the stats?
In the Official Marvel Handbooks.

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
I was just gonna ask you that. Their strength is even at best. Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub half filled with water and carried it miles to shore in Namors realm. Can Namor do a similar feat on dry land? Probably not cause he would get weaker and weaker.

I wasn't aware that we were discussing weakened Namor's strength against full power Colossus's strength. You are right, Colossus is stronger then weakened Namor.

Stronger then full power Namor? Not a chance.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Fighting skills I call even also. Namor can fight I'm not saying that but Colossus was a hit man for the Russian Mob and has extensive training in the danger room. I know you won't like this but Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

Tough fight though. 50/50.

It's good enough for you. But it isn't a fact. Didn't we go through this at another thread, only that Thing was at Ult. Colossus's place?

That is because Marvel ratings suck when it comes to Namor, like I have proved over and over again. Namor was born as the first prince of a warrior nation that has had over ten thousand years to perfect the arts of fighting. He had the best tutors in everything, including fighting. For example, Krang, the best swordsman in Atlantis trained him in swordsmanship.

What does Thing have? Two or three years in USA Army, if even that.

Those facts alone would make Namor better fighter then Thing, but you see, he has had 85 YEARS to practice his fighting, compared to Thing's about ten years, because unlike Namor, his fighting training didn't start as a kid.

Marvel Handbooks are done by people who have done almost no research for the handbooks (clearly not on Namor's part at least), don't know the characters thoroughly, and they shouldn't be used in debates as a proof.

I'm sorry, but mafia hitman training (they use guns way more anyway) and about a year in Danger Room are pathetic compared to seventy years of endless battle and training from the best teachers of warrior nation.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I wasn't aware that we were discussing weakened Namor's strength against full power Colossus's strength. You are right, Colossus is stronger then weakened Namor.

Stronger then full power Namor? Not a chance.

Take your head out of Namors @ss for one second DC. Namor at full strength is equal to Ult. Colossus cause feats speak for themselves and Namors do not surpass Colossus' in any way. Don't be getting sh!t twisted.

You always say the Hanbooks are crap this and crap that. That's because they unlike you are telling Namors true potential. You don't like them cause Namor is listed at 6 in strength yet. I can use the same argument for Colossus. He has lifted sh!t well over 100 tons and beat the sh!t out of guys more powerful then him and he still has a 3 in fighting and a 6 in strength.

These guys are pretty much even except I give Namor the speed edge and Ult. Colossus the durability edge.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Take your head out of Namors @ss for one second DC. Namor at full strength is equal to Ult. Colossus cause feats speak for themselves and Namors do not surpass Colossus' in any way. Don't be getting sh!t twisted.

It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible. ❌

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You always say the Hanbooks are crap this and crap that. That's because they unlike you are telling Namors true potential. You don't like them cause Namor is listed at 6 in strength yet. I can use the same argument for Colossus. He has lifted sh!t well over 100 tons and beat the sh!t out of guys more powerful then him and he still has a 3 in fighting and a 6 in strength.

Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap.

Ima have to agree with DC on this one. Colossus is cool and in the Ultimate Universe a real top dog. But compared to Namor? Namor takes it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible. ❌

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually [b]does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.

Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap. [/B]

Nevermind DC. You can put your head back into Namors @ss now. 👆

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nevermind DC. You can put your head back into Namors @ss now. 👆

🤨

What's gotten into you? I remembered you as a good debater, but that really isn't a good way to answer a post.

I guess I was wrong... 🙁

Seriously, that's low.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible. ❌

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually [b]does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.

Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap. [/B]

Dude C'mon! You want to hear something that Ultimate Colossus has done that Namor could only do in his dreams? Ultimate Colossus has stood in the way of a locomotive going roughly 100 miles an hour (The type of locomotive im talking about are the ones that are linked and linked and the stretch for about a quarter mile or so). Anyway, Colossus stood up to it and the train crumpled like a freakin' piece of paper and Ultimate Colossus didn't even budge!