Originally posted by Tulika
Wasn't it stated that Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub? If this is a fact and not someone's misunderstanding, I think Colossus has been proven superior in terms of strength.
7000 ton sub? Not much by Namor's standards.
Here is Namor simply shoving a freighter that weighs well above 10,000 tons to safety.
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif
Here is him easily smashing a 3000 ton object with incredible ease, and he also carried it to that point.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg
Here is him, as a young man, pushing a freighter (again above 10,000 tons) to shore.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif
Here is him pushing a Typhoon Class submarine (which weighs 48,000 tons) clear from the rocks that weigh many tons.
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/namorfeat123.gif
Originally posted by batdude123
Dude C'mon! You want to hear something that Ultimate Colossus has done that Namor could only do in his dreams? Ultimate Colossus has stood in the way of a locomotive going roughly 100 miles an hour (The type of locomotive im talking about are the ones that are linked and linked and the stretch for about a quarter mile or so). Anyway, Colossus stood up to it and the train crumpled like a freakin' piece of paper and Ultimate Colossus didn't even budge!
Want to hear something that Namor has done that Ultimate Colossus could only do in his dreams?
Here is him lifting a fully loaded tanker (almost 200,000 tons with full load) up for some time.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif
Here he topples an entire ship with one punch.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif
Here he causes earthquakes that make the entire island to quiver by simply slamming his fists on the ground. AND he does this while being pushed to ground by Magneto and being weakened, so he isn't close to his full punching power.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif
Here he knocks out Beta Ray Bill with one punch.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7534/namorfeat1347at.gif
Here he nearly defeats Hercules in underwater match (notice, he only used Cosmic Cube to make water there, not give him extra powers):
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/363/namorfeat1169jx.gif
Here he makes God of War, Ares shout in pain with one punch.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9148/namorvsares1pf.gif
Here is him breaking the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif
Here is him knocking out the Hulk with one punch. (The force of their combined punches send out earthquakes that ranged for hundreds of miles.)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg'
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg
Half of those feats are not really that impressive cause he is pushing the objects. But being you want to post scans I have some also.
Tossin a giant Sentinel into the air while in a awkward posisition. Who knows how far the Sentinel would have went if it did not run into another one.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossustossinaSentinel2.jpg
Here is Colossis stopping a speeding train dead in it's tracks. Namor can't touch this.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain2.jpg
Here is Colossus lifting the sub to shore. Colossus was even out of his element.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub3.jpg
(shows how far down the sub was)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpg
Probably best of all overpowering Magnetos Magnetism. Namor can't touch this either.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/UltimateMags.jpg
(just a pic to show Mags holding 100 Sentinels into the air.)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMags2.jpg
(Mags couldn't believe the power of Colossus!)
But I'm sure these don't impress Darkcrawler.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Half of those feats are not really that impressive cause he is pushing the objects. But being you want to post scans I have some also.Tossin a giant Sentinel into the air while in a awkward posisition. Who knows how far the Sentinel would have went if it did not run into another one.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossustossinaSentinel2.jpgHere is Colossis stopping a speeding train dead in it's tracks. Namor can't touch this.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain2.jpgHere is Colossus lifting the sub to shore. Colossus was even out of his element.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub3.jpg
(shows how far down the sub was)http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpgProbably best of all overpowering Magnetos Magnetism. Namor can't touch this either.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/UltimateMags.jpg
(just a pic to show Mags holding 100 Sentinels into the air.)http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMags2.jpg
(Mags couldn't believe the power of Colossus!)But I'm sure these don't impress Darkcrawler.
Sure they do.
Ultimate Magneto hasn't still been proven to be as strong as 616 Magneto. While a weakened Namor was still able to move his hands well enough to strike the land with force enough to quiver the entire island. And 616 Magneto used an amplifier machine in that case.
And, if you ask me, overpowering Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and surprising and knocking out Dr. Strange in the process is far more impressive then overpowering a weakened Magneto.
And as for stopping a dead train in it's tracks, how much you think one railroad car weighs? 20 tons? 30 tons? Perhaps even 50 tons? There were about ten railroad cars on the train. Colossus was stopping about 500-1000 ton force dead on it's tracks. A fraction of Namor's strength.
I do have seen those feats before. Nothing that Namor could not do.
One thing that strikes me with DarkCrawlers scans of Namor is that when he lifts these heavyweights it's under water. A Typhoon submarine weighs from 35-48 000 tons, according to Wikipedia, when fully submerged. This weight however is what the submarine would weigh if taken up from the water with its watertanks filled, not its actual weight under water.
But we are still talking about well over 15 000 tons that Namor handles and that's... impressive. And the feats of Colossus isn't bad either. If any of these suckers land a good punch it's lights out.
Namor takes it with his experience and skill, as it seems both characters are some what equal in strength and durability. As DarkCrawler says, 70 years of combat leaves it marks.
But on the other hand it seems strange that Namor can benefit from the years passed since his creation while other mortal heroes hasn't aged at all...
Originally posted by Bunker
One thing that strikes me with DarkCrawlers scans of Namor is that when he lifts these heavyweights it's under water. A Typhoon submarine weighs from 35-48 000 tons, according to Wikipedia, when fully submerged. This weight however is what the submarine would weigh if taken up from the water with its watertanks filled, not its actual weight under water.
Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.
Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerHe just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.
Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons.
And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons.
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Namor has been taking on the heaviest hitters in the Marvel Universe for decades. Just about everything Ult. Colossus had done, Namor has a comparable feat to it. Being more popular and well known doesn't make him stronger or a better fighter. The Namor respect thread is one of the best ones on this site. It will really opened my eyes to a character that I initially didn't know a lot about despite his long history in the Marvel Universe.
The question isn't is Namor in Ult. Colossus' league, but is Ult. Colossus in Namor's, imo.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
He just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!
That's exactly what I was talking about earlier. Apparently DC just doesn't want to listen. 🙄
Originally posted by snoopdogg
He just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.
It had sunk to the reef, he had to lift it up in order to clear it from the reef. Like the picture said, "I can hold this for only a second", so he was lifting it.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!
So add another 30+ tons to the weight. And add the momentum in too. I sincerely doubt that it would be past Namor's strength class. He can take punches from the likes of Hulk and Thor and not move much, so I don't see why he couldn't do the same feat.
