Originally posted by ShakyamunisonDoes Everything Include God? Then the answer is either equal or everything.
OKWhat is bigger, God or everything?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Prove what?
Prove that "God is both good and evil for without evil, good could not exist.
Good and evil are abstractions of something greater and the greater something is what God is."
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Translation: I am a relativist. I cannot be convinced. Convince me otherwise.Save it, Bardock. If you think there is no good or no evil, than you are not worth explaining anything to. You are already deluded.
You believe that there is good and evil...for some reason that is quite nonsensical. Who decides what is good and evil? But that is besides the point. Why does Evil need to exist dfor good to be there?
Originally posted by Weskerno one ever just says that maybe God is beyond human morality and that he cant be defined as good or evil
Here's something I thought of...Let's pressupose first that we're trying to prove a God that is all-good. Meaning, he is only good, and not evil.
1. God is all-good.
2. Good is determined by being contrasted with evil.
3. Therefore, for good to be defined, evil must exist.
4. If God is all-good, then evil exists.
5. A being who is all-good would want to exterminate evil.
6. Yet evil exists.
7. Therefore, either God is not all-good or he is helpless to stop evil.
At this point let us resume with the assumption that God is still all-good. If this is the case, he must be unable to prevent the evil. Now, before the religious doctrine starts sprouting out of the woodwork, let me add an analogy to help this argument (To better put it into context):
Suppose that God is a lifeguard or capable adult laying on the beach. A child comes along. God warns the child of the dangers of the water. But the child goes in anyways. The tide begins to pull the child out (Or a shark appears, jellyfish, current, etc.). Now, could anyone believe that God would be all-good if he did NOT run out and save that child?
Even from his or her own ignorance?
Just curious.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonmy bad,anyway if you read a lot of passages from the bible the claim that God is purely benevolent doesnt even make sense. If the bible is indeed a true telling of history,then God is just like a person. For one,numerous times God is referred to as being angry or jealous,traits that are considered sinful.Also he put the lives of people on the line just to prove points. So even by christians own tomes,God is capable of doing terrible things.If the bible really is true (which i am open to believing) then there's a good chance that those interpreting these stories just wanted to believe there creator is a purely good being and that all evils were committed by Satan.It would make perfect sense since many historians could tell you that the bible has been edited and changed numerous times over the years.
No, that was kind of what I was getting at.
Originally posted by Black Rob
my bad,anyway if you read a lot of passages from the bible the claim that God is purely benevolent doesnt even make sense. If the bible is indeed a true telling of history,then God is just like a person. For one,numerous times God is referred to as being angry or jealous,traits that are considered sinful.Also he put the lives of people on the line just to prove points. So even by christians own tomes,God is capable of doing terrible things.
I've always said the same thing.