Ulic Qel Droma and Revan vs Yoda and Mace Windu

Which team wins. The battle takes place in Shanghai...

Ulic and Revan

Revan stalls Yoda while Ulic beats Mace, the duo own Yoda...

cool fight though, but the PT homies are outmatched.

Here we go again. Revan is an unknown and there's absolutely nothing to say that Ulic is a better lightsaber fighter than either Windu or Yoda. In fact there's more evidence that the two were better than him than vice versa. I love Revan but he's an unknown until KOTOR III

Originally posted by tdtd
Here we go again. Revan is an unknown and there's absolutely nothing to say that Ulic is a better lightsaber fighter than either Windu or Yoda. In fact there's more evidence that the two were better than him than vice versa. I love Revan but he's an unknown until KOTOR III

Well, truth is we don't have any fair judge of power as far as Revan and ullic are concerned, we only have their accomplishments which imply power much like those of marka ragnos or naga sadow, We don't know which forms either use only that Ullic was a renowned swordsman in an era of very powerful duelists and that Revan was also a renowned swordsman that studied many forms extensively although which form he uses specifically is unknown. The only real comparison we could make between these two is of their accomplishments in which case Revan and Ullic clearly come away the victors, otherwise all we have to go by is implied at best so we can't really make a fair judgement.

Eh I don't see any one of these being especially better than the other with the lightsaber. I do see Yoda flipping around like a heroin addicted muppet and tiring everybody out.

Well, to be fair as i said we can't make a real judge of ullic and revans lightsaber form(s) as we don't know what they used, however we can judge what they were able to accomplish with said forms which far exceeds that which yoda and mace accomplished which IMPLY that they are superior, as i said it's only implied, there's nothing concrete.

PS Anyone know what happened to Janus?

Ulic and Revan are not superior to Yoda and Mace. We don't know where Revan ranks in lightsaber combat but he was able to beat Malak on the SF and he was the greatest of his time. Yoda and Mace were the greatest of their time.. And Ulic was the second best of his time, behind Kun.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Well, to be fair as i said we can't make a real judge of ullic and revans lightsaber form(s) as we don't know what they used, however we can judge what they were able to accomplish with said forms which far exceeds that which yoda and mace accomplished which IMPLY that they are superior, as i said it's only implied, there's nothing concrete.

PS Anyone know what happened to Janus?

Janus, is still here, under the name of Wesker. Nice to see you again, btw.

Not superior, you can't really say that for sure, as we don't know, All we know about Revan and Ullic are accomplishments, so if we're going to compare anything it should be those. In which case Revan won two wars pretty much singlehandedly, defeated the two most powerful non-force user races of his time(mandalorians and echani) killing the leaders of both, he nearly anhilated the jedi order, anhilated the sith (for the time being atleast). ullic also defeated the leader of the mandalorians, killed many jedi and fought Kun(who made the ground shake with his presecence and defeated the most powerful masters of his time)to a draw. lets compare this to yoda, who defeated dooku(but not totally) and wasn't able to defeat sidious, they also fought in one war, which they didn't win, let alone singlehandedly, it was also a war with almost no force users outside of the jedi, Revan fought and killed many force users however. They have a small fraction of the experience in battle that revan does(this is going by what we know, please don't give me this absence of proof isnt proof of absence bs, otherwise i can say that during the clone wars 3po pimp slapped yoda and shattered his jaw and that the 100 year war was won by an army of elves. I can't prove it so i guess i'll just use a bs catch phrase so i can make things up and pretend they're facts despite the complete lack of evidence and/or logic behind them). So going by the little we know about Revan and Ullic they would appear to be stronger though as I said this is all implied, but hey it's all we know.

thx man

That's all good but those accomplishments don't show how they would win in a saber duel.

Well, we can say that Ulic is better then Yoda with a large amount of support. Not necessarily proof, but support is still support.

We saw Ulic stalemate Exar sometime before Exar was a forcegod and after he lost to Vodo on Dantooine. Now, we can't prove that Exar increased between fighting Vodo on Dantooine and when he fought Ulic on that one planet(can't remember the name). It would be very strange however, if Exar didn't increase before that fight but became several times stronger in the space of time between stalemating Ulic and pwning Vodo.

Furthermore, we can't prove that Ulic got better after that fight with Exar, but it wouldn't make any sense if he didn't.

So, Ulic should be a good bit better then Vodo, who is commonly believed to be better then Yoda.

So the stronger of the Jedi is out of the picture.

Like I said, it's not proof, but there is plenty of support that indicates that Ulic is better then Yoda by a good amount.

Someone else can make an argument for Revan.

It shows that they were powerful enough to accomplish greater things then yoda or mace did, implying that they'r emore powerful. If Revan could singlehandedly win two wars he was supposed to lose, with inferior solidiers, then chances are they're more powerful then two jedi who along with an entire council and a larger number of superior solidiers who actually never won the war they should have in the first place.

His powers allowed him to accomplish said feats, they're a direct result of his power, therefore if they're greater then thos of his opposition it implies his abilities are also greater.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Well, we can say that Ulic is better then Yoda with a large amount of support. Not necessarily proof, but support is still support.

We saw Ulic stalemate Exar sometime before Exar was a forcegod and after he lost to Vodo on Dantooine. Now, we can't prove that Exar increased between fighting Vodo on Dantooine and when he fought Ulic on that one planet(can't remember the name). It would be very strange however, if Exar didn't increase before that fight but became several times stronger in the space of time between stalemating Ulic and pwning Vodo.

Furthermore, we can't prove that Ulic got better after that fight with Exar, but it wouldn't make any sense if he didn't.

So, Ulic should be a good bit better then Vodo, who is commonly believed to be better then Yoda.

So the stronger of the Jedi is out of the picture.

Like I said, it's not proof, but there is plenty of support that indicates that Ulic is better then Yoda by a good amount.

Someone else can make an argument for Revan.

Well seeing as all of these are assumptions without any prove, and we don't allow those kinds of things for other characters we shouldn't allow them for Ulic there is really nothing to show Ulic rocks with a lightsaber except for his fight against Mandalore and him being called a Master. Now the fight against Mandalore was damned impressive, but still it wouldn't put him above Mace or Yoda and being called a Master that also wouldn't put him above Mace or Yoda who were also both called Masters. Ulic doesn't have on screen prove that he is great.

Well, I do have to say that Revan winning that war isn't as impressive as everyone makes it out to be. According to Canderous the Mandalorians were outnumbered five to one. I don't see how that makes Canderous that great of a military commander.

But yeah, chances still are that Revan is better then Yoda or Mace.

BTW, nice to see you again Frobo.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Well, I do have to say that Revan winning that war isn't as impressive as everyone makes it out to be. According to Canderous the Mandalorians were outnumbered five to one. I don't see how that makes Canderous that great of a military commander.

But yeah, chances still are that Revan is better then Yoda or Mace.

BTW, nice to see you again Frobo.

5 to 1 in the final battle above Malachor V when Revan had already destroyed most of the Mandelorian army's. It was a last stand for the Mandelorians one way or another, and you have to remember that the Mandelorians were far greater soldiers had more training better weapons and armor more skills with them...

An average Mandelorian soldier would probably be worth more then 10 good Republic soldiers. They were far greater warriors, them being outnumbered... Well it didn't stop them from ripping the Exile's controlled fleet into smithereens. It didn't stop them from almost beating the Republic back at Dxun. It didn't stop them from destroying a fleet 10x there own size above Althir. And they had been fighting for 40 years, before Kotor began.

Those soldiers rocked, but really Revan his military powers do not really matter in a VS fight.

Yea good chances that Revan is possibly better than those two, I agree with you. Unfortunately and as much as I like Revan, putting him into these threads isn't right because we know very little about his real force and lightsaber abilities. Yea Ulic was badass and stalemated a weaker Kun, and was mad impressive with his fight against Mandalore but that does nothing to suggest he is better than Yoda and Mace, who were the unmatched, and the greatest of their time.