Malak versus Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin

Originally posted by DarthBanevv
You have got to be kidding me. Malak is a loser who is only there to further the story. I think that they could have done better. That's why the DS ending is preferred, because Revan's the real bad guy of the game if you pick that ending.

Darth Malak was a master swordsman and an adept Force-user, excelling particularly in such skills as Force Lightning, Force Drain, Force Horror, Force Immunity and Force Stasis. He has wielded powers such as Force Whirlwind, Force Rage, Force Grip, and Mind Control.

Malak was a loser who gets killed easily by Revan. And just because he uses those powers means nothing. He get's dispatched by Revan easily and with "All the power of the Star Forge" running through him.

We all know Malak was powerful. We also know Dooku was one of the best swordsmen in centuries. I doubt Malak is on par with Dooku at all. But he would take care of Anikan and Obiwan.

Originally posted by tdtd
We all know Malak was powerful. We also know Dooku was one of the best swordsmen in centuries. I doubt Malak is on par with Dooku at all. But he would take care of Anikan and Obiwan.

I personally believe Revan would have a tough time with Yoda, so I'd have to go with Yoda on this one. Malak was powerful, yes, but not THAT powerful. Yoda is arguably one of the strongest Jedi of all time.

Furthermore, just because Yoda exerted effort does NOT mean he was losing. Dooku ran away after Yoda was able to counter everything Dooku threw at him.

The only reason Yoda ran from the fight with Sidious was because on that terrain, Palpatine had the upper hand, the Clones had almost arrived, and he had no way of getting back up to where Sidious was. It was made quite clear, though, that Yoda was the better of the two.

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Malak? On par with Dooku, that is a laugh, Malak was unable to best a memory-wiped Revan, where he had every single advantage, including more knowledge, more enhanced force powers and the ability to regenerate numerous times, yet he lost to Revan, who at this time, was around the skill of a Jedi Master, having to relearn the force and lightsaber combat.

Dooku who was arguably the best PT Duelist, lose to a pathetic dark lord like Malak? Who was unable to best, a shadow of his former master? What a joke.

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I do not believe that Malak is on par with Dooku. Undoubtedly, he would dispose of Obi-Wan and Anakin quickly, but when Yoda comes he would lose.

Originally posted by w00t2112
Malak? On par with Dooku, that is a laugh, Malak was unable to best a memory-wiped Revan, where he had every single advantage, including more knowledge, more enhanced force powers and the ability to regenerate numerous times, yet he lost to Revan, who at this time, was around the skill of a Jedi Master, having to relearn the force and lightsaber combat.

Dooku who was arguably the best PT Duelist, lose to a pathetic dark lord like Malak? Who was unable to best, a shadow of his former master? What a joke.

That shadow of his former master also happened to be a lightsaber prodigy that was very likely the second strongest individual of his contingent era.

Originally posted by Illustrious
That shadow of his former master also happened to be a lightsaber prodigy that was very likely the second strongest individual of his contingent era.

Except that around 6 months worth of retraining after a complete memory wipe, is really going to do much. Revan, was a prodigy, but compared to what he was as a Dark Lord of the Sith, he was relatively weaker until he regained his knowledge. Emphasis on the "very likely" just because its likely, does not make it so, whilst Malak having taken power and said to be a lightsaber prodigy, is somehow defeated by a 6 month retrained Jedi.

Originally posted by w00t2112
Except that around 6 months worth of retraining after a complete memory wipe, is really going to do much. Revan, was a prodigy, but compared to what he was as a Dark Lord of the Sith, he was relatively weaker until he regained his knowledge. Emphasis on the "very likely" just because its likely, does not make it so, whilst Malak having taken power and said to be a lightsaber prodigy, is somehow defeated by a 6 month retrained Jedi.

He was described as plenty powerful with or without the mind wipe. The rest of that is pure gameplay speculation.

Well i percieved Revan as an average Jedi Master about the end of Kotor, but its speculation, we never truly knew how powerful Revan was at that point, so its even harder to quantify Malak's power, however he did lose with everything in his favour

Malak could be behind a bunch of people of his time: Revan, Traya, Nihilus, arguably Exile, possibly Kavar (we don't know the specifics of their fight), Vodo, Exar Kun and Ulic could have beaten him 40 years earlier....

I don't know if we can consider Revan an average Jedi just based on Traya's words and opinions of him. He seemed to be a very powerful jedi master and "The chosen One" of his time, but that's my opinion until KOTOR III

Revan and Malak were the most powerful of their era.

Yea, I wouldn't consider either one of them average, especially Revan..

Yoda alone could take this. He's got around 20 times more training. Yoda demonstrated force powers in ROTS that have never been equal by Malak, such as when he used force push on that pod that he threw back at Sidious he brought it to a complete stop almost instantly. That would require a very large amount of power. Yoda also apparently had the highest midiclorian count in the PT Order, or else why would Obi-wan have mentioned Yoda when they tested Anakin? I doubt that Obi-wan has memorized the midiclorian count of every Master in the Order. Malak was the second most powerful in his time, maybe. Traya is better in my view. Anyway, Yoda has been the strongest in the galaxy for over the time of several decades, if not centuries. That's a lot more impressive then second or third strongest for a few years.

I think I heard someone say that Dooku was near the end of his life. That's very unlikely, as the human Vima Da-Boda lived to be over 200 years old and she was human.

While the Midichlorian argument is very faulty and really irrelevant to vs. fights because, as Illustrious said, they didn't start counting those til the post Ruusan era, everything else seems to be very accurate. Malak is not on par with Dooku nor Yoda.

Revan the Chosen One? The hell?