Malak versus Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin

Started by tdtd5 pages

No that's the way I perceive it. He was the chosen one, the only one powerful enough to stop the ancient sith empire.. Hence he turned to the dark side because he felt that was the only way to do it.. And then he disappeared into the unknown regions to do it.. We'll see in KOTOR III

I doubt we'll see much of Revan in KOTOR III. Up till now, he has shown nothing to even consider linking him to divinity. And him being powerful doesn't count 😉

Eh I don't know. He was the only besides Luke who joined the darkside to defeat it from within. That in my mind makes him very powerful. He was definitely the most powerful one of his time, but we can't quantify his power until KOTOR III which is in production and is said to finish the story of Revan.

Now that I think about it, I'm sure if Revan's even looking for the Ancient Sith... Something else, something deeper.

Maybe the Vong? The Vong were already mentioned in KotOR, Canderous spots a Vong scouting in the Outer Rim. Maybe when Revan was there, he discovered that they were planning an attack or something, and thus tried to rally the Galaxy to destroy them...

I personally think that Traya was the best of that time, I don't know why but neither Revan or Malak seemed very good to me. However we don't really know a lot about Revan. Can't wait til KOTOR lll, there will probably be a lot of him in that.

How do you know that? I think thKOTOR III should involve a totally new character with totally new locals and a totally new story. Revan need not apply.

Originally posted by Gamblor
Now that I think about it, I'm sure if Revan's even looking for the Ancient Sith... Something else, something deeper.

Maybe the Vong? The Vong were already mentioned in KotOR, Canderous spots a Vong scouting in the Outer Rim. Maybe when Revan was there, he discovered that they were planning an attack or something, and thus tried to rally the Galaxy to destroy them...

Perhaps it was the Vong. I doubt it though. If it was I would not think Traya would refer to them as "The true Sith". I highly doubt that the Vong can be compared to Darth Revan, Exar Kun, Ulic and Marka. They did not conquer the Star Wars galaxy because of Luke and a hundred Jedi. Imagine the powerful force users of that era and years before.

It's tough to quantify the power of beings that aren't of the force. And no, it was stated that Revan went to the outer rim to stop the ancient sith empire who, he thought, posed a huge threat to the Republic.

I am not sure whether Revan was "truly" corrupted... Luke was nearly corrupted.

He did plan to the attack the Republic but keep its infrastructure intact. In fact Revan never promoted the destruction of worlds such as Telos. It was all Malak.

He seemed more of a "dark side" idealist, than a Sith Lord. In order to save the galaxy, he would have to conquer it (said by Kreia). That being said, in power he can compare to many Sith lords.

He's nearly like Dooku, minus being manipulated by Palpatine.

How does Revan, an ancient "Sith Lord", compare at all with Dooku? I would like your opinion on this.

Revan wasn't an Ancient Sith Lord. That last one alive was Naga Sadow.

I hate it when people say that people weren't corrupted, even though they really were. Just because Revan didn't destroy the Republic's infrastructure doesn't mean that he wasn't corrupted, just that he was still planning for the future. And I really doubt that you have to order the destruction of a world to be evil. His massacre at Malachor V is enough to make me think he was evil. Luke was evil, to, as he couldn't turn away from the Darkside.

I agree with you on one thing though, how does Dooku compare with Revan?

How does Revan, an ancient "Sith Lord", compare at all with Dooku? I would like your opinion on this.

He's more like a sophisticated political idealist rather than butchering madmen.

Glentract, isn't Kun the last of the "ancient" Sith lords? Or are you talking about the TRUE Sith lords.

Glentract, what I meant was that Revan is an Ancient Sith Lord in COMPARSISON to Dooku. He fought in a war 5000 years before Dooku was even sucking on his mother's titties.

How can you justify the fact that Revan was corrupted. I agree that the dark side tends to have a corrupting influence, but Revan was never brutal in his tactics. He knew the Ancient Sith were out there, and it has been stated dozens of times in the game, and in these forums, that he wanted to conquer the Republic to protect it from its enemies.

He's more like a sophisticated political idealist rather than butchering madmen.

Ah I see. However I can't help but feel Dooku's goals were more... selfish.

Revan turned to the darkside for a purpose, a reason.. Yes, he wanted to conquer the republic to protect it from the ancient sith empire.

Really it depends on how you look at it.

Revan saw the Darkside and knew it for it was, but he considered the sacrifce worth preparing the Republic against the Sith. His path was ruthless, but practical. It's the difference between doing what is right and what is smart. What Revan did was morally wrong, but the smart thing to do.

The Jedi Counsel of the time was too hesitant to take action and was ignorant of the true danger that had presented itself. They refused to take action against the Mandalorians for fear of a conflict so soon after the previous Sith War with Exar Kun.

How do you think this would look to Revan? Revan who had railled the Jedi to follow him and defeated the Mandalorians. I believe that during the war that Revan eventually began to view the the Jedi Counsel with disgust at their lack of action and cowardance.

Kreia herself made reference to this, when she claimed that during the war Revan and Malak began to despise weakness. They eventually came to view the Jedi as weak and unprepared to deal with the threat of the Ancient Sith.

Now as for if Revan was corrupted than yes I believe he was corrupted to a point; however, I do not he believe he was corrupted fully like Malak was. GL pretty much made it clear that one cannot touch the Darkside and come away unchanged.

Revan was still pretty damn cold-hearted. One particular instance that proves this is the terminal on Kashyyk. Revan would sacrifice countless innocent lives to initiate a good attack on the enemy. As effective as his methods were, they seemed a bit cold.

He was using the ends justify the means philosophy.

The end result would be for the best. You could hardly blame him, he was the best at a time when the Jedi Order was crumbling to peices, the Mandalorian onslaught nearly wiped out the Republic, and the threat of an Ancient Sith Empire preparing its forces. Maybe a complacent Jedi order isn't the best for a time like that ... He had to do what had to be done.

Originally posted by Gamblor
Revan was still pretty damn cold-hearted. One particular instance that proves this is the terminal on Kashyyk. Revan would sacrifice countless innocent lives to initiate a good attack on the enemy. As effective as his methods were, they seemed a bit cold.

Well he was looking through the eyes of battle-hardened commander. War had forced him to look at everything as mere game peices on a playing board so to speak.