Devil May Cry 4

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Have you played it, yes or no?

What difference? You tell me the differences.

Graphics do not count, I'm talking differences in gameplay. Oh, you wouldn't know, you're judging off hype and cutscenes, I'm judging the FACT that all three previous installments were essentially the same.

I love the way you skipped the whole part about comparing the gaming developments from say, Resident Evil's traditional style to 4 and probably 5, and Devil May Cry from one to three. Simply cos you know I'm right.

Tip of the day: Don't enter debates you can't finish.

Then stop. You're not winning anything, you're on the back foot all the time.

-AC

I also didn't skip anything. I read and reply to things that even deserve a reply.

Not winning anything and you being right all the time, what? Despite how your ass has been proven wrong a considerable number of times about Halo 3's graphics? Try not to be delusional.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
I'm talking about differences overall and yes, there are differences in gameplay, especially having to do with Nero's arm. I don't expect you to know any of this, of course.

I also didn't skip anything. I read and reply to things that even deserve a reply.

Not winning anything and you being right all the time, what? Despite how your ass has been proven wrong a considerable number of times about Halo 3's graphics? Try not to be delusional.

I've done my research, which is why you're dodging the question cos you're sore about getting whooped:

Have you played Devil May Cry 4, Shin? Yes...or no?

-AC

I'll ask again, since you've forgotten;

Have you ever played DMC 4, Shin? Apparantly it's not even out yet, so no you haven't. Meaning, we're both judging what it'll be like based on previous games. So you cannot call my predictions based on nothing, and yours to be great, we're basing them on the same games, and you're being subjected to hype.

-AC

The moves Nero performs with his demonic arm in the gameplay part of the trailer proves the difference in gameplay between the games, regardless of whether or not you want to consider the differences.

I don't expect you to admit anything good about a game you obviously don't like.

Asking me have a I played the game helps you...not a bit.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
The moves Nero performs with his demonic arm in the gameplay part of the trailer proves the difference in gameplay between the games, regardless of whether or not you want to consider the differences.

I don't expect you to admit anything good about a game you obviously don't like.

Asking me have a I played the game helps you...not a bit.

HAVE you played Devil May Cry 4, Shin?

Yes...or no? Simple question. Avoiding it makes you look worse.

-AC

Lol, ac gets in alot of arguments haha.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
HAVE you played Devil May Cry 4, Shin?

Yes...or no? Simple question. Avoiding it makes you look worse.

-AC

Originally posted by Joe K
Lol, ac gets in alot of arguments haha.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
No, but asking it doesn't help you in any way. I'm not the one claiming it's a linear game despite having never played it, for example, you.

No, you have NOT played Devil May Cry 4. You have played the other three, yes? So have I. That means we are both judging the game based on the exact same amount of references.

The only difference is that you are excited by hype and graphics. You fail to realise I am not dissing the game, I am simply stating facts. It is one of the most linear and simple structured, straightforward franchises out right now. The fact that it has spanned two generation consoles and they still haven't managed to add hardly ANYTHING new, and people still buy into it, is ridiculous to me.

If you buy into it and enjoy it, fine, I'm just stating facts.

It will be no different to the previous three, you will not be able to go everywhere, there'll be no freedom, it's how the game is structured. It's a linear game, lots of games are.

You are the one hyping it up, saying it won't be the same despite having never played it, which...given what we have to go by, is a dumb notion.

-AC

I really hate it when retarded arguments spread to other threads.. -_-

I tried to take it to PMs, but he says I "make him" reply.

So, he's clearly not about being sensible.

-AC

The demo is available on the market place.

Played it.

Literally nothing different to the first ever DMC. A few new moves, impressive graphics, that's it.

-AC

I like the idea that now you can throw around enemies even bosses.

Well as the last post points out, this game won't be the same.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you have NOT played Devil May Cry 4. You have played the other three, yes? So have I.

So, you're judging how it'll be basing it on the 3 previous installments.

You might as well have based your opinion of how Budokai 3 would play on the 2 (very similar) previous installments before the release of the third. You would be pretty wrong and foolish as of course, Budokai 3 plays much differently than 1 and 2.

Is this one of your uber debating tactics? Since it fails as how you do everywhere. barker

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That means we are both judging the game based on the exact same amount of references.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The only difference is that you are excited by hype and graphics.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You fail to realise I am not dissing the game,

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You are the one hyping it up, saying it won't be the same despite having never played it, which...given what we have to go by, is a dumb notion.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It will be no different to the previous three.

Again, the irony.

And there are confirmed facts about DMC4 proving that players will be doing things they've never done in any previous DMC installment. Pay close attention to the trailers and maybe you'll learn something.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Well as the last post points out, this game won't be the same.

Hahaha, it's got a new move, so that means it's not the same? I've played all of the games so far, and they are all more or less identical systems with arguably the least innovation of any next gen series.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Never played any, actually.

You've never played a Devil May Cry? Then why are you even talking?

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
So, you're judging how it'll be basing it on the 3 previous installments.

I was, now I'm judging the demo. Precisely the same.

It has a few new combos, new settings. The style and system is exactly the same as it always has been. Hack, slash, linear boring gameplay.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
You might as well have based your opinion of how Budokai 3 would play on the 2 (very similar) previous installments before the release of the third. You would be pretty wrong and foolish as of course, Budokai 3 plays much differently than 1 and 2.

We're talking about Devil May Cry, a game that anybody can see is just rehashed time and time again, a game series you defend based on the HYPE of the new trailer, but haven't played...at all.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Is this one of your uber debating tactics? Since it fails as how you do everywhere.

What do you know, the baby is sad. Shocker there.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
No, I'm not playing retard here my friend, you are.

You've never actually played Devil May Cry, so that renders your argument dead.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
More than that, as I've already said. Have you been listening?

It's irrelevant what you are excited by, I've played all four games, and they are all identical systems. Hardly ANY progression save for graphics. They have not advanced the gameplay.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
You're laughing at how it won't be innovative (which of course you'll moan about and say it's a fact and not your opinion) isn't some degree of disrespect?

If you are feeling disrespected because I've pointed out facts that the four games have almost identical controls and systems (You'd know this if you'd played them, a new move does not make a new system), then you are sad, and I am not responsible for the stupidness of being offended because someone has presented facts you dislike.

Childish.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Coming from a guy who only played a demo of it.

Again, the irony.

BECAUSE, you idiot, they are not going to change the gaming system by the time it comes out. It will still play the same. The things that are the same, have been the same since the first DMC, and won't be changed from the demo. If you had PLAYED THE GAMES, which you have not, you would KNOW this.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
And there are confirmed facts about DMC4 proving that players will be doing things they've never done in any previous DMC installment. Pay close attention to the trailers and maybe you'll learn something.

Yeah, like a new move, that is it.

You haven't played any of them, your opinion is irrelevant.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, it's got a new move, so that means it's not the same? I've played all of the games so far, and they are all more or less identical systems with arguably the least innovation of any next gen series.

Fact of the matter is that it's different, and for a person who claims to only argue facts, you seem to enjoy arguing against ones that don't make you cheery, that or you contradict yourself saying at one point, "it's just got one new move", and saying earlier, "it's literally no different". Maybe you should consider pre-reading your posts before making them.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've never played a Devil May Cry? Then why are you even talking?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I was, now I'm judging the demo. Precisely the same.

You do things late in Ninja Gaiden you could never do in the demo.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're talking about Devil May Cry, a game that anybody can see is just rehashed time and time again, a game series you defend based on the HYPE of the new trailer, but haven't played...at all.

And props for lying and saying I'm hyped simply because of a trailer. I'd be as foolish claiming you were psyched about Bioshock at the site of the trailer alone.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you know, the baby is sad. Shocker there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've never actually played Devil May Cry, so that renders your argument dead.

- The trailers alone proved my argument long ago. You're dismayed about it, as how you are with anyone else who whacks you here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've played all four games, and they are all identical systems. Hardly ANY progression save for graphics. They have not advanced the gameplay.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you are feeling disrespected because I've pointed out facts that the four games have almost identical controls and systems (You'd know this if you'd played them, a new move does not make a new system), then you are sad, and I am not responsible for the stupidness of being offended because someone has presented facts you dislike.

Childish.

Next.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
BECAUSE, you idiot, they are not going to change the gaming system by the time it comes out. It will still play the same. The things that are the same, have been the same since the first DMC, and won't be changed from the demo. If you had PLAYED THE GAMES, which you have not, you would KNOW this.

Though I'm sure you're going to come up with an excuse as to how it doesn't change the gameplay. As if anyone besides you will care.

Getting restricted is also something I'm sure you wouldn't like. Decide "not" to include insults in your posts, and your posts won't get reported.

Though saying things like, "you made a foolish attempt", seems to be fine.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, like a new move, that is it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You haven't played any of them, your opinion is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Were I to mention every way that 4 is different than 3, 2, or 1, you would not give it credit anyway, simply due to the fact that you're biased and reluctant to admit anything you think is against you.

Because you know it doesn't make the system, playing system or gaming dynamic any different outside of "You can do a new move.".

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Fact of the matter is that it's different, and for a person who claims to only argue facts, you seem to enjoy arguing against ones that don't make you cheery, that or you contradict yourself saying at one point, "it's just got one new move", and saying earlier, "it's literally no different". Maybe you should consider pre-reading your posts before making them.

It isn't any different. I have said from the start that the only thing they add are new moves that are ultimately inconsequential. The way the game plays, the system, the dynamic, none of it is different. Watch videos of all four games, it's like watching the same game in better graphics.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Because I have the real reason here to talk, you don't. You have nothing more than vomit from a cow's ass.

You haven't played any of them, I have played all of them. So...what exactly are you arguing for? Oh, because I MAKE you? Yep. Without doing anything, you have to reply because it's me. I own what you do in these threads. You said it yourself.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
It would be as foolish judging Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox based on the demo.

Who's talking about Ninja Gaiden? We're talking about DMC games, games I've played and am making factual comments on the system, games you've yet to play.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
You do things late in Ninja Gaiden you could never do in the demo.

Who is discussing that game? Again, you miss the point. Even if you can "do things" in the finished DMC 4 that you can't do in the demo, it won't be anything that radically alters the game style.

Look at the Resident Evil games, none of them deviated from the traditional Capcom survival horror style. Rendered areas, linear paths etc. All that changed was the story, the sprites and the areas. Resident Evil 4 was ENTIRELY different. They gave the entire gameplay system an overhaul. It wasn't a new move, it was an entirely new game control, view and playability system. Same with Resident Evil: Code Veronica, they departed from the rendered style and took everything 3D.

DMC has kept the same thing all the way through, and anyone who has played them will tell you the same.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
And props for lying and saying I'm hyped simply because of a trailer. I'd be as foolish claiming you were psyched about Bioshock at the site of the trailer alone.

I didn't say the game would be awesome, it could have been shit for all I know. It peaked my interest, and that is not what I am saying you are wrong for. You are wrong because you are judging things that a trailer does not tell you, like how good a game will be. PREDICTING it? Sure. Saying it will be good, different and innovative? No.

You haven't even played the games.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Your method was proven to be silly, and foolish.

- The trailers alone proved my argument long ago. You're dismayed about it, as how you are with anyone else who whacks you here.

How did it prove your argument, silly boy? I've PLAYED DMC 4's demo, I have actually played the whole series. Besides having a new move, there is nothing that is dramatically different from any of the three games before it, it's ultimately the same thing. Run, kill, jump, do a move, fight a big boss. It's the same with newer graphics.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
And of course, your definition of advanced gameplay would be none other than your opinion, as it doesn't make too much sense nevertheless.

All you're doing is saying "Your arguments suck, I watched the trailer and read stuff, I'm right.". I have played all three full versions and played DMC 4's demo. Four games in and they are clearly not changing anything that would make it "different". You have no basis or proof, you have your opinion of a trailer. I have actually played the games.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Nero's Devil Bringer alone makes the gameplay different that what it was.

It doesn't, it doesn't change the gameplay from what it has been since the original DMC came out. How do you even know? You've played none of them besides the demo. You don't even know how the comparisons are.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Though I'm sure you're going to come up with an excuse as to how it doesn't change the gameplay. As if anyone besides you will care.

You keep speaking for everyone, I'm not, because I know I'm right. My points do not require agreement, because they are fact.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Getting restricted is also something I'm sure you wouldn't like. Decide "not" to include insults in your posts, and your posts won't get reported.

You really think I would get reported before you, when in the same post you have said I am a retard, and vomit from a cow's ass? Hmm, odd child you are.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
Nero's arm alone equals at least 4 new moves (that are either normal or supercharged), buddy.

Hahahaha, so what? Four new moves do not mean the gaming system and gameplay has been changed.

Originally posted by Wandering Flame
As if that method of comparing wasn't stupid in the first place.

You're suggesting that comparing DMC 4 to the previous games is stupid, in an argument about how they're all the same? Allow me to just provide a little factual proof here, since you've not played any.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=31TuWeCP7Uk

Devil May Cry.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lKzgP4ROo

Devil May Cry 4.

New graphics, new move, same shit. Hack, hack, shoot, shoot, jump, attack. Repeat.

If you can watch those videos and try telling me there is any major innovation, change or difference, you're a blind fool.

They add a move and the masses are satiated, they know they don't even have to try. After all, DMC was born because of a failed idea that wasn't good enough to fit into Resident Evil's style.

-AC

Both of you will cut it out with the insults, thank you very much. Next one I see name calling or similar will receive a warning.

Here is footage from the game (Xbox 360 version)

YouTube video

I'm sold!

It's exactly the same. Jagged movement, run, kill, run, jump. This is all good if you're happy with running, killing, running and jumping.

Nice graphics, though, I'll admit.

-AC