The Forbidden Gospel of Judas?

Originally posted by Gregory
Sexist? I'd say so, yes. You probably won't find many completely non-sexist documents written in that area of the world 2000 years ago. All of Gnosticism has sort of sexist undertones--a perfect universe until the foolish woman (Sophia, Wisdom), went and screwed every thing up.

For what it's worth, it's less sexist than Plato, who thought women literally had to die and be reincarnated as men before they had a chance to enter Paradise.

But what's your point? You're surly not suggesting that sexist material can't be inspired, unless you're a very unorthodox Christian (since it would mean getting rid of several books from the NT).

Funny, I have unorthodox views of christianity. I really could careless if women became priests, or should I say priestess for that matter. It doesn't bother me at all. And no, I don't take the bible word for word as the gospel truth.

In other words, I'm not a fundamentalist. I was born as a Roman Catholic, but as I grew older, I started to look outside of my faith. I try to go back to the very roots of it all. But truthfully, I don't follow any organized religion. I'm really an agnostic at heart.

^^ Looking outside your faith and questioning things is the beginning of wisdom....Hmmm Sofia comes to mind....lol. I did the same.

Originally posted by debbiejo
^^ Looking outside your faith and questioning things is the beginning of wisdom....Hmmm Sofia comes to mind....lol. I did the same.

I hope you still do. 😛

Funny though many churches in the first few chapters of Proverbs about wisdom being a she, and it is also taught in some churches that this was Jesus.....Always sounded confusing to me....Jesus having female attributes, but then again if you look at the Gnostic's and sofia being wisdom.....some of the proverbs could be gnostic....

That statement forced me to remember the line in National Treasures: And that'll lead to more clues, and more clues, and more clues.....strange

heh, the onion is great. its about the third one down from the top...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47374

i find it interesting that in each chronologically subsequent evangelical gospel, judas is depicted as more and more . . . evil. it's like the preceding gospel had an effect on the one that followed. that, or, ideas about judas changed somehow in the times between the writing of the 4 gospels.

in any event, this gospel of judas has raised some interesting issues.

Yeah.....!!!! Everything we've ever known from the bible is a lie...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah.....!!!! Everything we've ever known from the bible is a lie...

A well crafted lie.

I agree, but the reason Judas is interesting is because it a different account. I haven't read it, but what I gleaned form CNN made its seem, in my opinion, that Jesus was simply a crazy fanatic that asked Judas to help him become a martyr.

I think thats refreshing. 😂

Originally posted by Alliance
I agree, but the reason Judas is interesting is because it a different account. I haven't read it, but what I gleaned form CNN made its seem, in my opinion, that Jesus was simply a crazy fanatic that asked Judas to help him become a martyr.

I think thats refreshing. 😂

It is probably closer to the truth. The 4 gospels in the bible have been edited and manipulated to give the church power.

True.

But I find the ultimate question to be, who wrote them. While htis is not a pertentant to M,M,L, and J (because of the editing). With Judas it is moreso.

Originally posted by Alliance
True.

But I find the ultimate question to be, who wrote them. While htis is not a pertentant to M,M,L, and J (because of the editing). With Judas it is moreso.

Mathew, Mark, Luke or John did not write any of the books. They were written some 60 to 100 years later by unknown writers. There is evidence that they were compiled from other books that are now missing. I bet they are all in the Vatican, hidden away.

You mean Q? Gosh yes, because two thousand-year-old books never just fade into obscurity; must be a Vatican conspiracy...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Mathew, Mark, Luke or John did not write any of the books. They were written some 60 to 100 years later by unknown writers. There is evidence that they were compiled from other books that are now missing. I bet they are all in the Vatican, hidden away.

Oh yes I know, I was referring to the fact that we know that they have been altered so many times, knowing who originally wrote them is rather irrelevant now.

You ever wonder what the vatican has in its vaults?

You ever wonder what the vatican has in its vaults?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

I don't know what the Vatican has in it's vaults, but if they really had documents that they didn't ever want to be revealed, there would be a much more logical solution than locking them up forever. The precise nature of this solution is top secret, so I can say only that it involves a match.

That's how they handled it in the first few centuries, anyway.

Very logical, but I get the feeling that they save it anyway. They seem very klepto.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Funny though many churches in the first few chapters of Proverbs about wisdom being a she, and it is also taught in some churches that this was Jesus.....Always sounded confusing to me....Jesus having female attributes, but then again if you look at the Gnostic's and sofia being wisdom.....some of the proverbs could be gnostic....

* inanimate objects are always identified with female pronouns... the Mother Nature, our countries, they are identified with female pronouns... 😉

* Christ is the wisdom of God... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* inanimate objects are always identified with female pronouns... the Mother Nature, our countries, they are identified with female pronouns... 😉

I don't think thats true. There are rules, some things are femenine, some masculine. I don't remember the rules off-hand.