Child Support?

Scenario 1- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with her parents, the girl decides there's too much she wants to accomplish in life, and the kid would make things that much harder. She has the abortion. Due to the fact that it's her body, the father has no say. If he wants her to keep the kid, oh well, cry me a river. She goes on with life, unhampered by the responsibilities of raising a child.

Scenario 2- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with his parents, the guy decides there's too much he wants to accomplish in life, and having a kid will make things that much harder. The young lady decides to have the kid anyway. They break up not much later, she takes him to court for child support, the end.

Am I the only person who thinks this is wrong? Putting aside what you think about abortion, should the female retain the right to receive financial help with raising the kid if the father decides he doesn't want the kid?

Please refrain from claiming "This thread is pointless" simply because you don't understand the question. This is not an abortion thread. It's not my intention to offend anyone, just to figure out how many intelligent people think as I do.

I agree, it's not fair for the father to have to pay although he didn't want the child. That's a double standard that needs to be addressed and changed.

LOL simple solution bring that teenage couple to attornies draw up a legal and binding agreement spend some money up front based on mutual agreements and BAM no problems!

The woman should pay him "No-child support" for the fact she killed of something he wanted (in the case that the dad wanted the child...) that way she can ask for child support when she goes against his wishes....

Bizzzaro logic rules!

If a girl gives her life to the raising of her children, and then decided to get educated,.............is that some problem??????...............A Man should take charge for what is his.

Originally posted by Crease
Scenario 1- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with her parents, the girl decides there's too much she wants to accomplish in life, and the kid would make things that much harder. She has the abortion. Due to the fact that it's her body, the father has no say. If he wants her to keep the kid, oh well, cry me a river. She goes on with life, unhampered by the responsibilities of raising a child.

Scenario 2- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with his parents, the guy decides there's too much he wants to accomplish in life, and having a kid will make things that much harder. The young lady decides to have the kid anyway. They break up not much later, she takes him to court for child support, the end.

These scenerios I find them to be rather hard to answer. I will only comment on the fact that these are teenagers and is shame they're wasting their lives thinking of sex and kids. If only they had that passion for education it would be miracle.

As for the parents getting involved....pity...they should have taken action before and not after the fact.

Scenario one- tell the teen to get a dog. Cheaper, easier to take care of. He's not ready yet. He made a dumb decision having sex that young anyways.

Scenario two- tough crap. Man should not sleep with a woman and then just go "Oh, I got too much to do. Nevermind". He made his choice already. Now he can pay for it.

Originally posted by debbiejo
If a girl gives her life to the raising of her children, and then decided to get educated,.............is that some problem??????...............A Man should take charge for what is his.

I see nothing wrong with that...I just don't see how it pertains to the thread at all.

Originally posted by Wesker
Scenario one- tell the teen to get a dog. Cheaper, easier to take care of. He's not ready yet. He made a dumb decision having sex that young anyways.

Scenario two- tough crap. Man should not sleep with a woman and then just go "Oh, I got too much to do. Nevermind". He made his choice already. Now he can pay for it.

If the girl, as you say, "has too much to do", it's cool I guess. They both made the "dumb decision" to have sex. My only point is that she's not penalized financially if she aborts the kid.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
These scenerios I find them to be rather hard to answer. I will only comment on the fact that these are teenagers and is shame they're wasting their lives thinking of sex and kids. If only they had that passion for education it would be miracle.

As for the parents getting involved....pity...they should have taken action before and not after the fact.

I absolutely agree.

Out of curiosity, would the scenarios be easier to answer if they were both older? Mid to late 20's maybe?

Originally posted by Crease
If the girl, as you say, "has too much to do", it's cool I guess. They both made the "dumb decision" to have sex. My only point is that she's not penalized financially if she aborts the kid.

The man will never have to actually carry a child. Whether or not he wants it is really a small choice in life compared to her decision to endure the nine month trial, along with everything that entails, and then she will have to fulfil a role as mother to that child which is far more demanding and personal than father roles (At least, in the earliest stages.) The father can want the child or not, but either way it's her body that carries the baby. However, in the very least he should provide her with financial support if he decides to be a deadbeat.

Originally posted by Wesker
The man will never have to actually carry a child. Whether or not he wants it is really a small choice in life compared to her decision to endure the nine month trial, along with everything that entails, and then she will have to fulfil a role as mother to that child which is far more demanding and personal than father roles (At least, in the earliest stages.) The father can want the child or not, but either way it's her body that carries the baby. However, in the very least he should provide her with financial support if he decides to be a deadbeat.

It is an obvious truth that the man will never have to carry a child. I also agree that from inception to the child's early years of life the mother's role is, under what most would consider normal circumstances, more demanding.

However, I still believe she should wave her right to child support if she decides to have it against the father's will, simply because she has no such restraints. I do however thank you for intelligently stating your points...Next opinion, please.

Originally posted by Crease

However, I still believe she should wave her right to child support if she decides to have it against the father's will, simply because she has no such restraints. I do however thank you for intelligently stating your points...Next opinion, please.

I agree with this completely.

However, I have seen the flip side too. My brother's gf got pregnant and she wanted an abortion and he didn't want her too. He was ready to pay child support or even raise the child alone and still she had the abortion. So should she have been made to carry the child then give it to him? Maybe. Its not always fair that the girl has all the options and not the guy. Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree, it's not fair for the father to have to pay although he didn't want the child. That's a double standard that needs to be addressed and changed.

Farthers for justice.

Abortion shouldn´t be an option, and they both should take care of the child.

Originally posted by omaga
Farthers for justice.

Yeah, I agree with them.

Originally posted by Crease
Scenario 1- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with her parents, the girl decides there's too much she wants to accomplish in life, and the kid would make things that much harder. She has the abortion. Due to the fact that it's her body, the father has no say. If he wants her to keep the kid, oh well, cry me a river. She goes on with life, unhampered by the responsibilities of raising a child.

He can always leave her if he's not happy with their relationship. That's it.

Scenario 2- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with his parents, the guy decides there's too much he wants to accomplish in life, and having a kid will make things that much harder. The young lady decides to have the kid anyway. They break up not much later, she takes him to court for child support, the end. [/QUOTE]

It shouldn't have to come to this point. Women and men can take proper steps to ensure they don't have children. Why would they have sex without contraceptives and then become frusturated that they are having a child.

Am I the only person who thinks this is wrong? Putting aside what you think about abortion, should the female retain the right to receive financial help with raising the kid if the father decides he doesn't want the kid?[/QUOTE]

No she shouldn't retain financial rights if the male took the proper steps of contrecption and he understood they both were.

Both man and woman should come to a point where they decide to have the child before having it. It shouldn't come as a surprise. If it does come as a surprise, with both parties allowing the pregnancy to happen, than both have to be held accountable for the life of that child. That includes child support.

Having a child needs to be taken seriously. This includes planning it.

Originally posted by NoahMann
I agree with this completely.

However, I have seen the flip side too. My brother's gf got pregnant and she wanted an abortion and he didn't want her too. He was ready to pay child support or even raise the child alone and still she had the abortion. So should she have been made to carry the child then give it to him? Maybe. Its not always fair that the girl has all the options and not the guy. Just my 2 cents.

I don't think she should've been forced to carry the child. For women who aren't movie stars (most), their bodies are never the same after carrying a child. Had she carried it to term and gave him the kid though, he should have to waive the right to chilkd support.

Isn't there a court case happening right now that deals with the man claiming that he should not be held responsible for the child if she chooses to go ahead with the birth?

My feeling on abortion has always been that the man has few rights in the childbirth scenario. I understand that only the woman is capable of carrying the child and giving birth to it. However, the man should be allowed at least a measure of parental rights in this situation. Conversly, if the man wants nothing to do with the child and abortion is an option that the mother flatly refuses, then her righteous attitude should extend to the possiblity that she will have to raise this child on her own.

I'm glad somebody made a Child Support thread, cuz I eventually woulda and they saved me the trouble.

Child Support is a bullshit law. If a man wants the baby and the woman doesn't and wants an abortion, he has no say in it, and if he DOESN'T want the baby and the b!tch does, he still has no say and has to pay against his will--half of his hard-earned money is going to an unwanted presence in his life. That's crap. It's a trap either way.

I know for a fact that eventually there will be a law where a man don't hafta pay if he don't wanna. And Lord willin', that'll be the day.