Child Support?

Originally posted by Crease
Scenario 1- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with her parents, the girl decides there's too much she wants to accomplish in life, and the kid would make things that much harder. She has the abortion. Due to the fact that it's her body, the father has no say. If he wants her to keep the kid, oh well, cry me a river. She goes on with life, unhampered by the responsibilities of raising a child.

Sucks for the father, but he isn't the one that has to deal with the pregnancy so he really shouldn't have any say in it.

Scenario 2- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with his parents, the guy decides there's too much he wants to accomplish in life, and having a kid will make things that much harder. The young lady decides to have the kid anyway. They break up not much later, she takes him to court for child support, the end.

Depends, I do thinks she should make it clear to him that she is pregnant and that she wants to keep the child, if he then refuses to take any steps then yes he has to pay for the child. If he however makes it clear that he does not want the child (in a period when abortion is still an option) and he can somehow prove that he used birth control or that she did (pill, condoms whatever) then no he shouldn't pay. So if he would go to court and tell a judge this or make a contract with a lawyer and have her sign it, then no I do not think he should pay anything.

If the time for an abortion is already over and the mother knew she was pregnant at least a week before that time was over and refused to tell him about it then he shouldn't be forced to pay either. If she didn't know and the time for abortion was already over then sucks for him, nothing he can do to stop it and he's just going to have to pay.

Originally posted by Makedde
He may want to take charge of what is his, but he can't do that if his girlfriend aborts his child.

I think this is a double standard. If the woman choses to keep the baby, she should raise it herself. If she goes after her partner for child support, obviously she doesn't have enough money to finacially support the baby, so why have it?

Where have been all my life?

Where have I been, or where have you been? 🙂

I think this is a double standard. If the woman choses to keep the baby, she should raise it herself. If she goes after her partner for child support, obviously she doesn't have enough money to finacially support the baby, so why have it?

Originally posted by Makedde
Where have I been, or where have you been? 🙂

Where have you been all my life?

Originally posted by Crease
Where have you been all my life?

Originally posted by debbiejo
She is truly one who wouldn't mind being taken advantage of.

Lol only by you Debbiejo, Crease isn't her type.

Originally posted by soleran30
Lol only by you Debbiejo, Crease isn't her type.

Now I'm really wondering you've been all my life 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Crease
Where have you been all my life?

Getting belted on the head by AC at every turn. 😆

Okay...went looking for threads and came across this one, and boy did it hit home !

I am a remarried guy that has two kids from my previous marriage, and one from my current. Now I had no problem paying child support, ( and with it being automatically withdrawn from my employment checks ) I knew that I was taking care of my kids.

The problem that occured with me is that I changed jobs, and although I maintained my payments to the Ex, by giving her either cash or check, the State didn't see that I was paying and the debt started to pile up. I was not aware of this until I moved out of State to Tennessee, where I found a very low paying job and could barely make enough to put food on the table.

Once they began to take out Child Support from my checks again, they were taking 75% of my weekly pay, which only gave me 25% to put food on the table, and a roof over my head. Of course I tried to contact the Ex and tell her what was going on, but she simply stated that it wasn't fair, or right and that was it. Nothing done about it.
I was taking care of my kids, but I could hardly take care of myself, and my new family. We had to move out of our apartment, move in with a relative, I had to quit my job cause I couldn't afford to drive there everyday, and on top of it all, I resorted to asking the government for help and they issued me food stamps. This went on for over a year...

I moved the family from Tennessee back to the State I originated from, and got a much better paying job, and once again they are taking the child support, but I am in a much better financial state and it doesn't hurt as much to have those payments taken.

Like I said, I have no problem paying the child support, but just recently I was informed that my tax return would be taken for child support. All of it..not just a percentage, but all of it. That is $4700 that should have been mine, that is now hers ! Oh yeah, and to top it all off...I found out that I am $30,000 in debt to the child support, and there is no way that I will ever be able to buy a car, a house, or get any kind of credit card in the future !

I believe in child support, and again have no problem paying what I should, just as long as it is used on the kids, and not vacations, or new stereo systems !!!!

I just wish there was a way that the non-custodial parent would not be taken advantage of like I have been and now has to deal with the situation without rectification.

Originally posted by Crease
Scenario 1- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with her parents, the girl decides there's too much she wants to accomplish in life, and the kid would make things that much harder. She has the abortion. Due to the fact that it's her body, the father has no say. If he wants her to keep the kid, oh well, cry me a river. She goes on with life, unhampered by the responsibilities of raising a child.

Scenario 2- Teenage couple are expecting a kid. Together with his parents, the guy decides there's too much he wants to accomplish in life, and having a kid will make things that much harder. The young lady decides to have the kid anyway. They break up not much later, she takes him to court for child support, the end.

Am I the only person who thinks this is wrong? Putting aside what you think about abortion, should the female retain the right to receive financial help with raising the kid if the father decides he doesn't want the kid?

Please refrain from claiming "This thread is pointless" simply because you don't understand the question. This is not an abortion thread. It's not my intention to offend anyone, just to figure out how many intelligent people think as I do.

They should both pay child support if that's the case.

Originally posted by Makedde
Where have I been, or where have you been? 🙂

Don't know, and right here. Hasn't been to KMC since April 2nd - it's funny how some users come, try to make this impression that they've posted here for years by posting 1,000 posts per day, and then simply vanish.

scenerio 1 is fine........

there is no parallel to scenerio 2 though. The first scenerio only involves two lives, the parents. The second involves 3 lives......the parents and the child. A child should be punished, trapped in a life of poverty because a difference in the parents' decision making? No. Once the child is born, both parties have equal responsibility in providing for it.........not out of responsibility to the mother who made the decision to keep the child but out of responsibility to the child who didn't get to make a decision at all.

not only that.......scenerio 2 is completely natural. The only purpose for sex is for reproduction. Anybody engaging in sex realizes this and knows the possibiltiy to probability of creating a child. Naturally the child will be born in most cases. Once the sex act is complete......the father has no further rights to make choices as he has already made the choice to engage in an act designed for no other purpose than procreation....something he knew well beforehand. If later the mother decides to do something un-natural like having an abortion.....she has the right simply because it is her body. She can do anything she wishes to it. If she wishes to slice of an ear, she can........if she wishes to stick a coat hanger up her cervix into her uterus, she can.

We know how it is. The question is is it fair. I know that life's not fair, but it just seems wrong somehow that a woman can cop out of it after sex no matter what, but a guy is trapped - no matter what.

I could be wrong on this, but - before the advent of genetic testing, child support could only be taken from a father if he'd signed the birth certificate.

Now personally I do think the man should owe up and take responsibility for his actions, but then again I think the woman should too.

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by the way, Evil Dead, Did anyone ever tell you that that sig is just creepy?

I agree Life Isn't Fair.

Both scenerios are not fair and neither have clean cut answer.

I think it is funny that in both scenerios the guy comes out as the victim. The girl is in this as much as he is, he has JUST as much resposibility as she does. She did not force him to have sex, just as she was not forced. They put themseleves in this situation by having sex to young and unprepared to handle the what may happen.

I think that the guy should DEFINATLY have a say in an abortion. It is his baby as well. There is no law that says he has any right, and I think that is wrong.

I think that YES he should pay child support, wether he wanted the baby or not. He had sex, he was responsible enough to take the chance, he is responsible enough to take care of what he helpped create.

Just because a woman carries the child and is ultimately responsible for it in the eyes of society, does not mean that the father has any less reponsibility morally.

I would like to ask another question to you....

Scenerio One:
You see a young man, late teens, he has a baby. He is the sole caretaker for the baby. He is not married, he lives w/ his parents, the baby's mother did not want it.

How do you view this guy? RESPONSIBLE, for taking care of his baby when the mother would not. And you pity him since his life has been altered and he has a been handed a responsiblity that the girl should have had. He is praised. And he is made into character in TV shows and movies. I can name several.

Now...
Second Senerio:
You see a teenage girl w/ a baby. She too is unwed, lives w/ her parents, and the babies father has left.

How do you view her? As a ****. Why did she get pregnant? Because she slept around. Why did the guy leave her? For a good reason your sure. That is how she is painted in public, even if it is far from the truth.

Society is very turned, and even if you know better, it is easy to jump on the bandwagon and believe the easiest answer.

You help make the baby, you should help take care of it........I wonder if opinions would differ if the man carried the baby for 9 months and the women took off to play other fields.

perhaps one day technology will render this discussion moot and make that possible.

wouldn't that be hilarious a pregnant guy....

Of course birth would have to be C-section.

hysterical

Its already been done. Govahnah Ahnold had Junior!

the courts seem to be loaded on the side of women and have been for some time. when if ever will there be equal rights! i feel that she has a choice to have or have not a child. i also feel that he should have the only choice that he can have. if she decides to have the child for what ever reason she wants then he should have the choice to sign all of his rights away and not be finical responsible if he so desires. i feel that ... actually i know of several young girls that in there youth felt that they would trap the man by doing this and it never worked out. so young single mom and pissed off single paycheck. so who do we blame? those of us that are a little wiser and also vote for the people that make the decisions of our laws and educational programs. had most of these you women had healthy parents that understood child raising a little better and provided a healthy home which produced a healthy young women she would have made different choices because she would have cared about herself and her future. the same goes with the young man. so we as society do nothing to promote healthy families and guidance there for we end up with shootings at high schools and teen pregnancy just to name a few of our nightly news headlines. when we take a proactive stance for the future of our country and the world of people understanding people and education for all because it is in the greatest interest to the ultimate survival of our planet. then we will start to see a change. these types of information and education should be free to everyone in every country and advertised regularly on billboards, TV, buses, welfare you name it. but does any of this matter? no. why? greed! you don't want this to happen to the people you know and love then first educate yourself and then educate them. thanks for reading what i had to say and sorry for the poor spelling. James